S-500 missile system: Revision history

4 May 2024

• curprev 19:5719:57, 4 May 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 19,141 bytes +333‎ The most recent source we have (Oct 2023) explicitly states "There is currently no evidence Russia has developed the S-550."; also de-wikilinking S-550 as it's a redlink undo
• curprev 19:3319:33, 4 May 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 18,808 bytes −18‎ rv -- these edits do not address the underlying concern, which is that it is a state-sponsored propaganda source of questionable reliability, making a dubious claim not supported by factual evidence other than from the primary source; it directly fails the criteria for reliability. It is *NOT* a requirement that a source be listed as a perennially unreliable source for it to be considered unreliable. undo Tag: Manual revert
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• curprev 11:4411:44, 4 May 2024‎ 82.0.40.72 talk‎ 18,802 bytes +30‎ Now it's reliable and neutral. undo Tags: Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 11:3911:39, 4 May 2024‎ 82.0.40.72 talk‎ 18,772 bytes −36‎ It isn't listed as an unreliable source in Wikipedia:reliable sources. Can't just label every Russian source as unreliable. It is used to support a claim, not a statement of fact. That's why it's "Russia claims", and the source is Russian media. undo Tags: Manual revert Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 01:4001:40, 4 May 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 18,808 bytes +36‎ Undid revision 1221986653 by 82.0.40.72 (talk) we still denote the unreliability of a questionable source, even if not speaking in wikivoice, so readers can assess credibility for themselves undo Tags: Undo Reverted
• curprev 01:3901:39, 4 May 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 18,772 bytes −100‎ planned future deployments do not belong in the "No. built" section of the infobox; they can be mentioned in-line in the text, with the appropriate qualifications undo Tag: Visual edit

3 May 2024

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• curprev 05:4005:40, 3 May 2024‎ 82.0.40.72 talk‎ 18,833 bytes +3‎ More accurate undo Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit
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• curprev 05:3805:38, 3 May 2024‎ 82.0.40.72 talk‎ 18,995 bytes +408‎ CSIS was for the "10 battalions". Removed that. Pravda actually says "first samples of two S-500s in different modifications have entered service". Janes reports the 1st battalion that entered service in 2021. So this is accurate and up to date. undo Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 05:2505:25, 3 May 2024‎ 82.0.40.72 talk‎ 18,587 bytes −36‎ That's why it reads "Russia claims". Whether they actually successfully tested it or not is another matter. So in this context, it is perfectly reliable, as the statement says "Russia claims", not "Russia has successfully tested...". Even if it's propaganda, it is still reliable, as it's just a claim (like most things on the military side of Wikipedia). Not a proven fact. undo Tags: Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 05:0805:08, 3 May 2024‎ AnomieBOT talk contribs‎ m 18,623 bytes +14‎ Dating maintenance tags: {{Unreliable source?}} undo
• curprev 04:4804:48, 3 May 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 18,609 bytes +27‎ state-sponsored outlets of dubious reliability repeating government claims should be attributed as such. undo
• curprev 04:4404:44, 3 May 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 18,582 bytes −328‎ aligning this with what the sources actually claim -- the Janes reference only claims "one regimental set" of unknown composition; the Pravda source makes no claims about how many are in service, only announcements of what is planned for the future; the CSIS source is outdated from before any were deployed and likewise does not support the claim. undo

2 May 2024

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• curprev 22:3922:39, 2 May 2024‎ 82.0.40.72 talk‎ 18,898 bytes +272‎ Forgot about the Izvestia successful S-500 hypersonic test claim. Adding it now. undo Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit
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27 April 2024

• curprev 23:2623:26, 27 April 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 18,632 bytes +70‎ Undid revision 1221101193 by 82.0.40.72 (talk) WP:NPOV -- we should not be obscuring where a system is still in development, or is untested. undo
• curprev 23:2423:24, 27 April 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 18,562 bytes −42‎ It is irrelevant how many are planned in any term -- this line on the infobox is asking about number *built.* undo Tag: Visual edit
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25 April 2024

• curprev 21:4821:48, 25 April 2024‎ 82.0.40.72 talk‎ 18,646 bytes −3‎ re-read the source and it's actually two more "systems" that entered service. So it's 3 in total now undo Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit

24 April 2024

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23 April 2024

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• curprev 20:3620:36, 23 April 2024‎ 82.0.40.72 talk‎ 18,661 bytes −126‎ Already mentioned in "no.built" undo Tags: Manual revert Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 18:2218:22, 23 April 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 18,787 bytes +141‎ receive and deploy are not the same thing; in the immediately preceding sentence it says this is not expected until 2027. The source also specifies the system is still in development We need to be careful not to give undue weight to propaganda claims by repeating them uncritically in wikivoice. undo Tags: Manual revert Reverted
• curprev 17:4817:48, 23 April 2024‎ 82.0.40.72 talk‎ 18,646 bytes −15‎ "The Aerospace Forces are to receive the S-550 by 2025" per source undo Tags: Reverted Mobile edit Mobile web edit
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• curprev 17:0017:00, 23 April 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 18,787 bytes +437‎ re-added back in the edits from the IP that I stomped on w/ edit conflict. undo Tag: Visual edit: Switched
• curprev 16:5116:51, 23 April 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 18,350 bytes −2,861‎ →‎Design: removed some deprecated/unreliable sources, removed unsourced material, copyedited some duplicate material, added add'l refs, and other general cleanup undo Tag: Visual edit: Switched
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• curprev 16:4216:42, 23 April 2024‎ 82.0.40.72 talk‎ 21,186 bytes +286‎ More S-500s have been delivered according to Shoigu (per TASS but used another source). Also, this is more neutral and its sourced. undo Tags: Mobile edit Mobile web edit
• curprev 16:2816:28, 23 April 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 20,900 bytes −147‎ →‎Operational history: removing deprecated TASS reference, replacing w/ DefNews ref, adjusting text to match the source. undo
• curprev 16:2616:26, 23 April 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 21,047 bytes +18‎ →‎top: naming ref for reuse undo
• curprev 16:2516:25, 23 April 2024‎ Swatjester talk contribs‎ 21,029 bytes +91‎ claim not supported by the source -- it explicitly says S-550 is not expected until 2027. undo
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19 April 2024

• curprev 02:5002:50, 19 April 2024‎ Acroterion talk contribs‎ 20,506 bytes +50‎ sa