Talk:Voluntary childlessness

The pet rooster

Is the image of a woman talking to her pet rooster really the best image to represent voluntary childlessness? Fephisto (talk) 04:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

From what I have read, some people prefer pets to children. Pick another picture if you want. Nerd271 (talk) 16:44, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Absence of criticism section

Should there be a criticism section? I say this in relation to the article being voluntary childlessness and thus a choice. Perhaps criticism in relation to ideological aspects like antinatalism, a view that does have note of criticism in its article. Zilch-nada (talk) 11:27, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Moral reason

There is no mention of the most important reason to be child free,IMO, that it is immoral to impose a life of struggles and pain onto another being. 50.206.145.234 (talk) 21:58, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Celebrities

I'm not sure if we need a large section on celebrities who pursue this lifestyle. Nerd271 (talk) 00:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

100% agree. Why is this wiki entry so long? 18.10.77.197 (talk) 20:52, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, and what's up with all the really strange, unnecessary pictures? It's like it's purposefully edited to make this lifestyle look as kooky and crazy as possible. Fephisto (talk) 16:23, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Page Changes

My main goal was to try to be bold and clean up some of the accretion here. The article goes on for quite a while and it's difficult to read. Importantly, a lot of the lists had items that were listed multiple times and were very redundant, so I tried to recategorize them and bundle them together a bit more. Finally, a lot of the pictures seemed really haphazard or looked so weird that I wonder whether they were an attempt to discredit the page, so I tried to limit it to one per section.

I think the statistics section could really be condensed into general view instead of a "country by country" or "region by region" view, as there's a lot of unnecessary overlap with the "Aging of..." articles.

As for the third section, it has a lot of overlap with the first section, but I don't quite know how to handle it. It might be best to try to merge the first and third sections into one somehow. For example, the "Selfish" issue/ethical reasons/religion seems like parts of a good lede for the "Philosophical" reasons section. Something like that maybe?

Fephisto (talk) 21:31, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

@Fephisto: Please keep working on this article. I could use some attention. Nerd271 (talk) 20:53, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

@Fephisto: I copied the page over into my sandbox. If you want to help rewrite this article, please go there. Nerd271 (talk) 23:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

forced copium takes

"The availability of reliable birth control (which has severed the link between sexuality and reproduction)" - what would sever the link is an artificial womb+sperm banks, this doesn't sever anything, just reduces the birth rate by the opters out.

"Many single childfree women are quite happy." The sheer fact of owning 'pets' outside of purely pragmatic (food/clothes) requirement is in itself - mental masturbation/copium.

18:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)