Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tal Slutzker (2nd nomination)

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. The subject's article in the Hebrew Wikipedia remains blatantly promotional in nature but contains one significant, verified exhibition at the Herzliya Museum of Contemporary Art. This allows subject to meet WP:NARTIST criterion #4b. (non-admin closure)‎ The Gnome (talk) 14:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Tal Slutzker

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No significant, numerous, third-party sources can be found to support notability in general or as an artist; just a couple of interviews and one advertorial: A young artist like myriads of others. No judgement whatsoever on artistic value, this. But Wikipedia is not a complete directory of artists nor a random collection of information. -The Gnome (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Authors, Poetry, and Israel. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Fails GNG, and possible public relations editing by the editor responsible for placing overwhelming majority of contents into that article. Graywalls (talk) 08:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete The sources are absent really, which is unfortunate really for a quite stellar artist. I couldn't find any of his work any major museums unfortunately. I may be early days hopefully. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 11:51, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Not enough there yet, could be WP:TOOSOON BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 16:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. One of the criteria for notability of an artist (NARTIST) is "The person's work (or works) has: ... been a substantial part of a significant exhibition" (note the singular). The article lists 6 solo exhibitions and 11 non-solo exhibitions. His he.wiki article lists 20 exhibitions and 4 books. This is quite a lot. Here is an article about an exhibition he had at the Herzliya Museum of Modern Art. Here is a newspaper article about another exhibition. In order to decide that he fails NARTIST, it is necessary to decide that none of these 20 exhibitions count as "significant". This has not been done yet on this page and I'm dubious. To me he looks quite notable. Zero^talk 16:40, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. In addition to his exhibition at the Herzliya Museum of Contemporary Art, Slutzker had a solo exhibition at the Tel Aviv Museum of Art, Israel's largest art museum. Coverage in multiple national publications, including Walla!News, Maariv, and Ynet also satisfy the superseding WP:NBIO. Longhornsg (talk) 17:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - A BEFORE search did not turn up much other than social media, some primary sources, interviews (primary and light weight with some questions like "What's your cat's name?" and press-release-based coverage, but no critical analysis in major art magazines or art history books. He doesn't meet WP:NARTIST either. Having a small handful of shows, even with a couple at museums is not relevant - that's just what artists do, they show their work like hundreds of thousands of other artists. A significant exhibition is being in the Venice Biennale, or Documenta, Sao Paulo Biennial, Carnegie International, or the Whitney Biennial. Appears to be a COI entry. It appears to be WP:TOOSOON for this emerging artist, perhaps in a few more years he will be ready for an encyclopedia article. Netherzone (talk) 20:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

  It is simply not true that "hundreds of thousands" of artists have multiple solo exhibitions. It's not like they invite themselves, they have to be invited by a gallery which considers their work significant enough to take other works of art off the wall for a while. As for what "significant exhibition" means: who says? Looking at List of Israeli visual artists, I see many articles about artists with weaker exhibition histories. It seems that existing practice in deciding notability does not impose such high standards as you do. Zero^talk 14:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Have you truly never heard of vanity exhibitions? (I'm not implying the same for our subject; I have no proof of any such practice.) It's similar to vanity publishing. In the country I live, as well as in a number of countries that I have visited, many a galley earns a living or compliments its living by hosting the latest masterpieces of amateur enthusiasts. I do not think badly at all about said enthusiasts. They have every right to their activities. And they contribute to the financial well-being of galleries. But, please, don't insist that all the "thousands of exhibitions" are done by gallery invitation. 'T ain't so. -The Gnome (talk) 17:17, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

@The Gnome is correct about the existence of vanity exhibitions, there are also thousands of pay-to-pay juried exhibits which are slightly different. An artist pays a fee to have their work considered for it, if the jury selects the artists's work, then the artist pays for shipping to and from the exhibit, and if they happen to sell work get 50% of the sales price. There are also many pay-to-play "art magazines" that are designed like actual art magazines or journals. The artist pays to have a page, or a two-page spread, or a "feature article". Native advertising and Advertorials have become wide-spread in the art world, as has Informative advertising. Netherzone (talk) 18:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Galleries always take a cut for artworks sold at exhibitions, that means nothing. Between 30% and 50% is normal. I'm married to an artist (albeit in a different country) so I have first-hand experience of this. Please provide your evidence that Slutzker's solo exhibitions at the Herzliya Museum of Contemporary Art and the Tel Aviv Museum of Art were anything other than normal exhibitions. If you don't have such evidence you shouldn't make assumptions. Zero^talk 01:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm honestly sorry to say that for a Wikipedia contributor who's been around "for more than twenty years", per your user page, you demonstrate a surprising inability to understand simple prose. The whole of Netherzone's response is about the existence of vanity exhibitions. It is simply an affirmation that vanity exhibitions do exist; that is all. No mention of our subject, his exhibitions, or Israeli museums. Yet, you scold Netherzone for "making assumptions" about Slutzker. It seems you owe an apology. -The Gnome (talk) 14:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, the many exhibitions, books, and other presentations seem enough for notability to exist. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per Zero, the arguements convinced me that Slutzker's works are notable and meet the notability criteria. פעמי-עליון (pʿmy-ʿlywn) - talk 00:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

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