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i just wanna change anything titled as Doom to DOOM [[User:Vanhutenmilhouse1|Vanhutenmilhouse1]] ([[User talk:Vanhutenmilhouse1|talk]]) 17:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC) |
i just wanna change anything titled as Doom to DOOM [[User:Vanhutenmilhouse1|Vanhutenmilhouse1]] ([[User talk:Vanhutenmilhouse1|talk]]) 17:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' Per the MOS it's still not going to be changed to DOOM, please see many of the other messages on the talk page. [[User:Tunakanski|<b style="color:#ff0005;background:#000;padding:2q;border-radius:12q;">Tuna</b>]]<span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of the United States.svg|23x15px|border |alt=United States|link=United States]]</span>[[User talk:Tunakanski|<sup>Veni</sup><span style="font-size:12q;">Vidi</span><sub>Vici</sub>]] 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC) |
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' Per the MOS it's still not going to be changed to DOOM, please see many of the other messages on the talk page. [[User:Tunakanski|<b style="color:#ff0005;background:#000;padding:2q;border-radius:12q;">Tuna</b>]]<span class="flagicon">[[File:Flag of the United States.svg|23x15px|border |alt=United States|link=United States]]</span>[[User talk:Tunakanski|<sup>Veni</sup><span style="font-size:12q;">Vidi</span><sub>Vici</sub>]] 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Make the name "MF DOOM" being stylized in all caps. All caps when you spell the man name. The way its stylized in the wiki is an insult to both MF DOOMs fans, and his legacy. [[User:Wikiman23567|Wikiman23567]] ([[User talk:Wikiman23567|talk]]) 06:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Why doesn't Wikipedia write "MF DOOM" in all caps?
Wikipedia uses lowercase for two reasons:
Note that the article mentions in the first sentence that the name is stylized in all caps, so it's not like Wikipedia is ignoring this. Why does Wikipedia say MF Doom was British-American?
Wikipedia is based on reliable secondary sources. These sources variously describe Doom as American, British-American or British-born. The consensus among Wikipedia editors is that "British-American" is the best compromise for the lead sentence. It reflects the plurality of sources and is a reasonable interpretation of his identity. The complexity of MF Doom's nationality and citizenship is described in detail in the article body. |
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DOOM ISN'T BRITISH-AMERICAN
Daniel Dumile was an American-raised man who had only lived in England for less than a year. Using the term, "British-American" to describe DOOM's ethnicity would confuse readers, while specifically calling him "British-born American" would be more clear and dissuade people and journalists from advertising him as a "British Rapper," and there's a plethora of examples of this exact phenomenon in journalism depicting British Rappers and British Hip Hop, while MF DOOM never had a musical or even long-term childhood presence in the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nanarroy24 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- He was born in Britain, held a British citizenship his whole life, and died in Britain. By what metric is he not British? 108.51.155.79 (talk) 04:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
- MF Doom would probably be categorized as a British-born rapper active in the United States in my opinion or a British-born rapper alone. Dumile would not be known as a British rapper as he grew up and spent majority of his life in the United States. Dumile would definitely though not be called a British-American rapper as he never held American nationality. CriminalResearcherFinland (talk) 16:39, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- That's your opinion, as you say. But Wikipedia is based on what reliable secondary sources say. Popcornfud (talk) 16:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- It isn't an opinion, what are you on about? He can't be American since he never had citizenship. American isn't an ethnicity either so it can't be through ancestry. He is British-born but definitely isn't British-American. CriminalResearcherFinland (talk) 11:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- You wrote above: "MF Doom would probably be categorized as a British-born rapper active in the United States in my opinion". Popcornfud (talk) 12:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, link a reliable secondary source that lists MF Doom as an American rapper. You can't be an American if you don't have American nationality since American isn't an ethnicity and that isn't an opinion. MF Doom isn't a Native American either so explain to me how he could be called an American without being a citizen, national or ethnically. CriminalResearcherFinland (talk) 18:00, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Here are some sources that describe him as British-American: BBC, BBC, NME. Popcornfud (talk) 18:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Here are some sources that don't: Euronews, PieRadio, Billboard CriminalResearcherFinland (talk) 00:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- And? Popcornfud (talk) 01:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- And your points are invalid as Doom wasn't an American citizen. Explain to me how Doom is American please. I find it funny that you still haven't specified what made Doom American except living in the US. Was he American-based? Yes, Did he grow up in the United States? Yes, Was he an American? No. CriminalResearcherFinland (talk) 20:48, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Have you read the FAQ? Popcornfud (talk) 21:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- It still doesn't make sense but if you guys have come to a consensus then it doesn't matter what I say. I myself don't understand how a person who got refused entry at the United States border can be classed as an American without having citizenship like 21 Savage isn't American either. CriminalResearcherFinland (talk) 21:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- The important thing to understand is that Wikipedia is based on sources, not editors' opinions. What you or I might think constitutes someone's nationality doesn't matter — we have to reflect reliable sources. That's one of the most important Wikipedia principles.
- For more information, see Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth. Popcornfud (talk) 21:34, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- It still doesn't make sense but if you guys have come to a consensus then it doesn't matter what I say. I myself don't understand how a person who got refused entry at the United States border can be classed as an American without having citizenship like 21 Savage isn't American either. CriminalResearcherFinland (talk) 21:26, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Have you read the FAQ? Popcornfud (talk) 21:14, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- And your points are invalid as Doom wasn't an American citizen. Explain to me how Doom is American please. I find it funny that you still haven't specified what made Doom American except living in the US. Was he American-based? Yes, Did he grow up in the United States? Yes, Was he an American? No. CriminalResearcherFinland (talk) 20:48, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- And? Popcornfud (talk) 01:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Here are some sources that don't: Euronews, PieRadio, Billboard CriminalResearcherFinland (talk) 00:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
- Here are some sources that describe him as British-American: BBC, BBC, NME. Popcornfud (talk) 18:53, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, link a reliable secondary source that lists MF Doom as an American rapper. You can't be an American if you don't have American nationality since American isn't an ethnicity and that isn't an opinion. MF Doom isn't a Native American either so explain to me how he could be called an American without being a citizen, national or ethnically. CriminalResearcherFinland (talk) 18:00, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- You wrote above: "MF Doom would probably be categorized as a British-born rapper active in the United States in my opinion". Popcornfud (talk) 12:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- It isn't an opinion, what are you on about? He can't be American since he never had citizenship. American isn't an ethnicity either so it can't be through ancestry. He is British-born but definitely isn't British-American. CriminalResearcherFinland (talk) 11:54, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
- That's your opinion, as you say. But Wikipedia is based on what reliable secondary sources say. Popcornfud (talk) 16:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- MF Doom would probably be categorized as a British-born rapper active in the United States in my opinion or a British-born rapper alone. Dumile would not be known as a British rapper as he grew up and spent majority of his life in the United States. Dumile would definitely though not be called a British-American rapper as he never held American nationality. CriminalResearcherFinland (talk) 16:39, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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Change "MF Doom" to "MF DOOM" for um the most obvious reasons ever?... 2601:196:4801:4C60:49F6:64AA:5EBE:FC6C (talk) 16:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: I mean just read every post on this talk page. TunaVeniVidiVici 16:27, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
- Also read the FAQ at the top (though most people probably don't). Liu1126 (talk) 13:47, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
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Relatives : Ashlyn Thompson Dumile Samuel ohanlon (talk) 21:01, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 21:06, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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i just wanna change anything titled as Doom to DOOM Vanhutenmilhouse1 (talk) 17:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: Per the MOS it's still not going to be changed to DOOM, please see many of the other messages on the talk page. TunaVeniVidiVici 17:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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Make the name "MF DOOM" being stylized in all caps. All caps when you spell the man name. The way its stylized in the wiki is an insult to both MF DOOMs fans, and his legacy. Wikiman23567 (talk) 06:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
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