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* [[:Category:Italian Ministers of Defence]] to [[:Category:Defence ministers of]] – C2C. [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 15:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC) |
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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
or{{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous page
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.)
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 03:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 99 open requests (. )
Administrators and page movers: Do not use the "Move" tab to move categories listed here!Categories are processed following the 48-hour waiting period and are moved by a bot. |
Current requests
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:Italian Ministers of Defence to Category:Defence ministers of – C2C. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belgian Ministers of Defence to Category:Defence ministers of Belgium – C2A: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 15:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ministers of Defense of Azerbaijan to Category:Defence ministers of Azerbaijan – C2C: Per Category:Ministry of Defence (Azerbaijan) and Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 15:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Austrian Ministers of Defence to Category:Defence ministers of Austria – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lists of players selected in the NHL Entry Draft to Category:Lists of players selected in the NHL entry draft – C2D: Recent move discussion resulted in lowercasing / NHL entry draft. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NHL Entry Draft to Category:NHL entry draft – C2D: Recent move discussion resulted in lowercasing / NHL entry draft. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Defense Ministers of Guatemala to Category:Defense ministers of Guatemala – C2C: Per Category:Defense ministers by country AusLondonder (talk) 15:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ottoman mercenaries to Category:Mercenaries from the Ottoman Empire – C2C: parent is Military personnel of the Ottoman Empire, sibling is Mercenaries from the Russian Empire Mason (talk) 13:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Paramilitary Filipinos to Category:Filipino paramilitary personnel – C2C: parent is Paramilitary personnel and Filipino people by occupation Mason (talk) 13:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films directed by Chitralaya Gopu to Category:Films directed by Chithralaya Gopu – C2D: He is Chithralaya Gopu. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:12, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films scored by S I Tutul to Category:Films scored by S.I. Tutul – C2D: S.I. Tutul. 1857a (talk) 00:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films scored by Fuad to Category:Films scored by Fuad al Muqtadir – C2D: Fuad al Muqtadir. 1857a (talk) 00:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films scored by Arnob to Category:Films scored by Shayan Chowdhury Arnob – C2D: Shayan Chowdhury Arnob. 1857a (talk) 00:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rating to Category:Classification systems – C2F. Mason (talk) 23:59, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Northumbrian music to Category:Music of Northumbria – C2D: Music of Northumbria. 1857a (talk) 23:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cornish music to Category:Music of Cornwall – C2D: Music of Cornwall. 1857a (talk) 23:55, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ethiopian music to Category:Music of Ethiopia – C2D: Music of Ethiopia. 1857a (talk) 23:52, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nigerian American players of American football to Category:American players of American football of Nigerian descent – C2C: sibling is American basketball players of Nigerian descent and parent is American sportspeople of Nigerian descent Mason (talk) 23:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Gun violence in fiction to Category:Fiction about gun violence – C2C: parent is Fiction about violence Mason (talk) 23:36, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:History of racism in the United States by state to Category:History of racism in the United States by state or territory – C2C: parent is Category:History of the United States by state or territory Mason (talk) 23:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films directed by Abdel Kechiche to Category:Films directed by Abdellatif Kechiche – C2D: Abdellatif Kechiche. Οἶδα (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Crime by country by type to Category:Crime by country and type – C2B. Mason (talk) 15:18, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Autism-related organizations in the United States to Category:Autism-related organizations based in the United States – C2C: parent is Disability organizations based in the United States Mason (talk) 15:07, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mental health organizations in the United States to Category:Mental health organizations based in the United States – C2C: the norm is for organizations to be "based in" their location. parents are: Category:Disability organizations by country, Category:Public health organizations by country, whose siblings are Public health organisations based in India (Category:Public health organizations by country) and Category:Disability organizations based in the United States Mason (talk) 15:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Culture of Valencia to Category:Culture of the Valencian Community – C2C per Category:Valencian Community – Fayenatic London 15:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Spanish Virgin Islands people of African descent to Category:Ethnic groups in the Spanish Virgin Islands – C2F. Mason (talk) 05:10, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nigerian-American musicians to Category:American musicians of Nigerian descent – C2C: American people of Nigerian descent by occupation is parent Mason (talk) 04:59, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nigerian-American artists to Category:American artists of Nigerian descent – C2C: parent is American people of Nigerian descent by occupation Mason (talk) 04:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Malayan miners to Category:Malaysian miners – C2B: also: parent is Malaysian people by occupation Mason (talk) 04:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ladies-in-waiting of the Ottoman Empire to Category:Ladies-in-waiting from the Ottoman Empire – C2C: parent is Courtiers from the Ottoman Empire Mason (talk) 02:36, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Video games designed by Warren Spector to Category:Games designed by Warren Spector - C2C: This category was recently moved, but half the games in the category are tabletop games. BOZ (talk) 00:27, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tops to Category:Spinning tops – C2D: recently moved in article space after a consensus was reached Joy (talk) 20:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Academics and writers on far-right extremism to Category:Academics and writers on far-right politics – C2C within Category:Far-right politics; far-right extremism redirects to far-right politics. – Fayenatic London 15:30, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Customs involving siblings to Category:Traditions involving siblings – C2C: sibling category is Category:Traditions involving fire, and there's no category called Customs Mason (talk) 14:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sportspeople by city or town in Wales to Category:Sportspeople by populated place in Wales – C2C: parent is People by populated place in Wales, and the norm is to rename c or t to populated place Mason (talk) 13:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:The Elephant 6 Recording Company to Category:Elephant 6 – C2D: Per Elephant 6. Keep this name as a {{catred}}. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 11:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nordic Cross flags to Category:Nordic cross flags – C2A/C2D per Nordic cross flag. HandsomeFella (talk) 09:32, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:South American cinema by country to Category:Cinema of South America by country – C2C: Parent Category:Cinema of South America. NLeeuw (talk) 09:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Turkish pornography to Category:Pornography in Turkey – C2D: Pornography in Turkey. NLeeuw (talk) 09:06, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Philippine pornography to Category:Pornography in the Philippines – C2C: Parents Category:Pornography in Asia, Category:Cinema of the Philippines, Category:Sex industry in the Philippines. NLeeuw (talk) 09:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pakistani pornography to Category:Pornography in Pakistan – C2D: Pornography in Pakistan. NLeeuw (talk) 09:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Japanese pornography to Category:Pornography in Japan – C2D: Pornography in Japan. NLeeuw (talk) 09:01, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Italian pornography to Category:Pornography in Italy – C2D: Pornography in Italy. NLeeuw (talk) 09:00, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indian pornography to Category:Pornography in India – C2D: Pornography in India. NLeeuw (talk) 08:59, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:German pornography to Category:Pornography in Germany – C2D: Pornography in Germany. NLeeuw (talk) 08:58, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French pornography to Category:Pornography in France – C2D: Pornography in France. NLeeuw (talk) 08:57, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Finnish pornography to Category:Pornography in Finland – C2D: Pornography in Finland. NLeeuw (talk) 08:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dutch pornography to Category:Pornography in the Netherlands – C2D: Pornography in the Netherlands. NLeeuw (talk) 08:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Danish pornography to Category:Pornography in Denmark – C2D: Pornography in Denmark. NLeeuw (talk) 08:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Czech pornography to Category:Pornography in the Czech Republic – C2D: Pornography in the Czech Republic. NLeeuw (talk) 08:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian pornography to Category:Pornography in Canada – C2D: Pornography in Canada. NLeeuw (talk) 08:51, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bulgarian pornography to Category:Pornography in Bulgaria – C2D: Pornography in Bulgaria. NLeeuw (talk) 08:50, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British pornography to Category:Pornography in the United Kingdom – C2D: Pornography in the United Kingdom. NLeeuw (talk) 08:50, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Brazilian pornography to Category:Pornography in Brazil – C2D: Pornography in Brazil. NLeeuw (talk) 08:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belgian pornography to Category:Pornography in Belgium – C2D: Pornography in Belgium. NLeeuw (talk) 08:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Austrian pornography to Category:Pornography in Austria – C2D: Pornography in Austria. NLeeuw (talk) 08:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American pornography to Category:Pornography in the United States – C2D: Pornography in the United States. NLeeuw (talk) 08:46, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hi-Tech Bangkok City players to Category:Hi-Tech Basketball Club players – C2D. 寒吉 (talk) 08:34, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests
- Category:Communist Party secretaries of Rehe Province to Category:CCP committee secretaries of Rehe Province – C2A: Consistent with similar sub-categories in this category Amigao (talk) 02:05, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Secretaries of the Communist Party Shanghai Committee to Category:CCP committee secretaries of Shanghai – C2A: Consistent with similar sub-categories in this category Amigao (talk) 02:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Communist Party Committee Secretaries of Taiyuan to Category:CCP committee secretaries of Taiyuan – C2A: Consistent with similar sub-categories in this category Amigao (talk) 02:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Communist Party secretaries of Xi'an to Category:CCP committee secretaries of Xi'an – C2A: consistent naming with sub-categories in this category Amigao (talk) 02:02, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tatar music to Category:Music of Tatarstan – C2D: Music of Tatarstan. NLeeuw (talk) 05:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:A24 (company) films to Category:A24 films – C2D: unambiguous Schierbecker (talk) 19:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy. Category talk:A24 (company) films Hyphenation Expert (talk) 05:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American female winemakers to Category:American women winemakers – Reason C2C: per siblings in Category:American women by occupation. TSventon (talk) 20:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
- None currently
Moved to full discussion
- Category:Sikh military to Category:Military of the Sikh Empire – C2C: Parents Category:Sikh Empire and Category:Military by former country. Siblings in Category:Military by former country. NLeeuw (talk) 17:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: this requires more discussion because there is lots of content in the category that pre-dates the Sikh Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle You're probably right. Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 19#Category:Sikh military. NLeeuw (talk) 14:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw: this requires more discussion because there is lots of content in the category that pre-dates the Sikh Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Neo-Latin writers to Category:Writers in Neo-Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
- This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period. Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin-language writers of late antiquity to Category:Writers of late antiquity in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Classical Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin – C2C: Parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds clumsy. Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Renaissance Latin-language writers to Category:Renaissance writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds weird per others Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Latin-language writers to Category:Medieval writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same. These sound weird. Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
- I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications. Jim Killock (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
- Category:Writers in Classical Latin; Category:Writers in Neo-Latin - these all refer to a style; they are acceptable from that perspective, but they sounds strange / clumsy to my ear; the natural way to say is Category:Classical Latin writers, Category:Neo-Latin writers, or as close to that as WP allows.
- Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong. Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be Category:Writers using Old Latin.
- Category:Renaissance writers in Latin; Category:Medieval writers in Latin - refer to a time period and remove the style names. These would need to be Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin; Category:Writers in Medieval Latin. This is not great English, most natural would be Category:Medieval Latin writers, Category: Renaissance Latin writers
- So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
- It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --Jim Killock (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 15#Category:Neo-Latin writers. NLeeuw (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tamil language encyclopedias to Category:Tamil-language encyclopedias – C2A: MOS:HYPHEN –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Tamil per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:29, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Tamil per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- Category:Bengali encyclopedias to Category:Bengali-language encyclopedias – C2C: Category:Bengali-language literature, etc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Bengali per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Bengali per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- Category:Albanian encyclopedias to Category:Albanian-language encyclopedias – C2C: Category:Belarusian-language literature, etc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Albanian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:31, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Albanian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- Category:Belarusian encyclopedias to Category:Belarusian-language encyclopedias – C2C: Category:Belarusian-language literature, etc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Belarusian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
Encyclopedias in Fooian
. I already proposed Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch. I recommend we follow the recent renaming of Category:Texts by language, Category:Songs by language, and others to this sameThings in Fooian
naming convention for clarity and consistency. NLeeuw (talk) 00:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- No objection, but prefer Category:Encyclopedias in Belarusian per the c:Category:Encyclopedias by language naming scheme of
- @LaundryPizza03 and Nederlandse Leeuw: either you have to agree on something, or this should be moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- There are several similar CfD's that are ongoing, such as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias, so I'd go to full. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Going full is fine with me. I hope we end up with a naming convention that is consistently applied. LP's speedy proposals are an improvement, and a fine intermediate step, but if we could skip that step and rename them all to
Encyclopedias in Fooian
in one go, well, all the better. :) NLeeuw (talk) 07:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)- @LaundryPizza03 Is it okay if I add these 4 proposals of yours to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias in order to centralise the discussion? I'll have
Encyclopedias in Fooian
(my proposal) as Option 1 andFooian-language encyclopedias
(your proposal) as Option 2. NLeeuw (talk) 07:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)- PS: I recommend we keep the discussion about splitting Bulgarian encyclopedias separate. (I agree with your proposal to split them; we could always change the 2nd target's name based on the outcome of the Dutch &c. encyclopedias discussion). NLeeuw (talk) 07:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 1#Category:Dutch encyclopedias. I'll update the LP's 4 nominees' tags as well, with LP's proposed name and linking to my expanded nom. NLeeuw (talk) 16:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03 Is it okay if I add these 4 proposals of yours to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias in order to centralise the discussion? I'll have
- Going full is fine with me. I hope we end up with a naming convention that is consistently applied. LP's speedy proposals are an improvement, and a fine intermediate step, but if we could skip that step and rename them all to
- There are several similar CfD's that are ongoing, such as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_1#Category:Dutch_encyclopedias, so I'd go to full. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:32, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03 and Nederlandse Leeuw: either you have to agree on something, or this should be moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Scholars of Mycenaean Greek to Category:Linguists of Mycenaean Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Medieval Greek to Category:Linguists of Medieval Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Koine Greek to Category:Linguists of Koine Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Ancient Greek to Category:Linguists of Ancient Greek – C2C: Uncles/aunts in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC) - Category:Scholars of Greek language to Category:Linguists of Greek – C2C: Siblings in Category:Linguists by language of study are all named
Linguists of Fooian
. NLeeuw (talk) 20:44, 3 April 2024 (UTC)- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 5#Category:Scholars of Greek language. NLeeuw (talk) 10:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think this kind of discussion is better held at a full CfD than here. Ymblanter (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm not convinced this makes them unsuitable for speedy renaming, but we'll see. Otherwise I'm happy to move to full, although I think it's unnecessary. NLeeuw (talk) 14:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Nederlandse Leeuw, I have looked at the content of the categories and am suggesting that these categories are not suitable for speedy renaming. I am happy for the CfD admins to accept or reject my argument. Studying the literature of a language generally involves studying the language itself, but some academics focus more on literature and others on liguistic topics and this is reflected in our categories. Category:Latinists exists and has a Greek counterpart, Category:Hellenists. TSventon (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @TSventon I discussed thus with @Fayenatic london in another thread (about Category:Grammarians of Persian), he thought it was a good idea. It's virtually impossible to study the literature of a language without also studying the language itself. (I've been studying Old East Slavic as an amateur lately, because I want to write about Rus' chronicles on Wikipedia). Also, Category:Latinists exists; it currently serves the same function as a Category:Linguists of Latin would. NLeeuw (talk) 02:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nederlandse Leeuw, I don't think the categories for Scholars of Greek are suitable for speedy renaming as the categories contain a mixture of scholars of Greek language and literature. Also Latin is the other classical language and there is no Category:Linguists of Latin. TSventon (talk) 22:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
PLEASE NOTE: I have moved all of the following Categories here pending adequate confirmation of their eligibility under C2C. I made a serious effort to look for that, but was unable to find such confirmation. There is a massive jumbled welter of Categories in this realm, with no prevailing pattern that I can discern. Anomalous+0 (talk) 07:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:20th-century Canadian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:20th-century Canadian people by descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1196829100 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by century and ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian people by century and descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1196829100 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:20th-century American people by ethnic or national origin to Category:20th-century American people by descent – C2C: Special:Diff/1195787538. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by century and ethnic or national origin to Category:American people by century and decent – C2C: Special:Diff/1195787538. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Male actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Male actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Male television actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Male television actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actresses by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Actresses by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actresses by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Television actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Actors by ethnic or national descent to Category:Actors by ethnicity – C2C: See Category:People by occupation and ethnicity. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Anomalous+0, I have linked Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent down below; is that not enough? 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
++
- Category:American rappers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American rappers by descent – C2C: See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent for all the ones below. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Members of the United States Congress by ethnic or national origin to Category:Members of the United States Congress by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American gangsters by ethnic or national origin to Category:American gangsters by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Northern Mariana Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American social scientists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American social scientists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian people by ethnic or national origin and century to Category:Canadian people by descent and century – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian people by ethnic or national origin and occupation to Category:Romanian people by descent and occupation – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Murdered American people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Murdered American people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American sculptors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American sculptors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and century to Category:American people by descent and century – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American classical musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American classical musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American male actors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American male actors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American singers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American singers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Malaysian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Malaysian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:French politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dutch politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Dutch politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Transnistrian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Transnistrian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Brazilian actresses by ethnic or national origin to Category:Brazilian actresses by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:East German people by ethnic or national origin to Category:East German people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American actresses by ethnic or national origin to Category:American actresses by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hawaii people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Hawaii people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Filipino politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Filipino politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Middle Eastern people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Middle Eastern people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Moldovan politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Moldovan politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cebuano people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Cebuano people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swedish politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Swedish politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American photographers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American photographers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Indonesian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Indonesian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:05, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Romanian politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:Romanian politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American academics by ethnic or national origin to Category:American academics by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American short story writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American short story writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American novelists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American novelists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American dramatists and playwrights by ethnic or national origin to Category:American dramatists and playwrights by descent – C2A. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American poets by ethnic or national origin to Category:American poets by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian trade unionists by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian trade unionists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian families by ethnic or national origin to Category:Canadian families by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Turks and Caicos Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Montserratian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Montserratian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Manx people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Manx people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jersey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Jersey people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Guernsey people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guernsey people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Caymanian people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caymanian people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:United States Virgin Islands people by ethnic or national origin to Category:United States Virgin Islands people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sint Maarten people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Sint Maarten people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Saint Martinois people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Saint Martinois people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Martiniquais people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Martiniquais people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from Overseas France by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Overseas France by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Guadeloupean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Guadeloupean people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Curaçao people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Curaçao people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Aruban people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Aruban people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Caribbean people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Caribbean people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Anguillan people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Anguillan people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:British writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Welsh people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Welsh people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Scottish people by ethnic or national origin to Category:Scottish people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People from Northern Ireland by ethnic or national origin to Category:People from Northern Ireland by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American writers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American writers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American trade unionists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American trade unionists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American scientists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American scientists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American professional wrestlers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American professional wrestlers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American politicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American politicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American physicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American physicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American musicians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American musicians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American models by ethnic or national origin to Category:American models by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American military personnel by ethnic or national origin to Category:American military personnel by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American lawyers by ethnic or national origin to Category:American lawyers by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American journalists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American journalists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American film directors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American film directors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American educators by ethnic or national origin to Category:American educators by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American comedians by ethnic or national origin to Category:American comedians by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American aviators by ethnic or national origin to Category:American aviators by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American artists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American artists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American architects by ethnic or national origin to Category:American architects by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American actors by ethnic or national origin to Category:American actors by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American activists by ethnic or national origin to Category:American activists by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by occupation and ethnic or national origin to Category:American people by occupation and descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:American people by ethnic or national origin and occupation to Category:American people by descent and occupation – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:44, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Category:English people by ethnic or national origin to Category:English people by descent – C2C. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now to all by ethnic or national origin nominations. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 08:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- The existing wording sounds more natural and is easier to understand. 46.229.243.187 (talk) 14:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- A first attempt to resolve this is here at full discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_30#Category:English_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin and Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_9#Category:Swedish_politicians_by_ethnic_or_national_origin. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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