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April 13

Portal:Current events/2024 April 13

April 13, 2024 (2024-04-13) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Iran–Israel proxy conflict 2024 Iran–Israel conflict 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel Iran launches between 400 and 500 drones and cruise missiles at Israel from Iran, Iraq, Syria, southern Lebanon, and Yemen. (ABC News) U.S. naval ships mobilize to the Middle East to protect Israel against incoming missiles. (The Wall Street Journal) (News.com.au) Iranian seizure of the MSC Aries Iran seizes the MSC Aries, a Portuguese-registered, Madeira-flagged container ship owned by Zodiac Maritime which is chaired by Israeli billionaire Eyal Ofer. (Reuters) (Firstpost) Israeli bombing of the Iranian embassy in Damascus The Netherlands announces that their embassy in Tehran will close on Sunday. (Al Arabiya) Killing of Benjamin Achimeir Israeli settlers attack Palestinians in the West Bank after missing Jewish teenager Benjamin Achimeir is found dead. (BBC News) Insurgency in Balochistan Gunmen abduct and kill nine people from a bus in Nushki District, Balochistan, Pakistan. All victims, whose bodies were found under a bridge, appear to have been shot at close range. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine The Russian Ministry of Defence claims that the village of Pervomaiske near Donetsk has been captured by Russian troops. (Barron's) War in Sudan An offensive by the Rapid Support Forces begins in El Fasher. (Sudan Tribune) Disasters and accidents Eighteen people are killed, two are injured and some are missing after landslides hit South Sulawesi, Indonesia. (The Star) Law and crime 2024 Bondi Junction stabbings Six people are killed and seven others are injured in a mass stabbing at a shopping center in Sydney, Australia. The perpetrator is shot and killed by police. (The Guardian) (The Sydney Morning Herald) Politics and elections 2024 Cook by-election Simon Kennedy of the Liberal Party of Australia wins the by-election in the seat of Cook, succeeding former Prime Minister Scott Morrison. (ABC News Australia)

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Iran retaliation

Article: 2024 Iranian missile strikes in Israel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following an attack on the Iranian embassy, Iran retaliates against Israel and the Israeli-linked MSC Aries. (Post)
News source(s): dronesship
Credits:

• Nominated by 37.252.94.105 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Carhles (talk · give credit)

Article updated

STILL Ongoing, but someone will create an article or subsection as it is hardly 2 hours old.37.252.94.105 (talk) 20:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Does it, though? I see the IDF saying some drones will show up in several hours. Maybe they'll be shot down, like Palestinian missiles. That's how it's supposed to work. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  Very likely, however the ship has already had reactions from katz, the WH and the uk.37.252.94.105 (talk) 20:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  Just added the ship to the blurb.37.252.94.105 (talk) 20:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  If the extent of this is the boarding of a ship, count me out. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  Not cool to title an article after strikes that haven't landed (and I've changed "Israel-linked" to "Portuguese" here for clarity). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  Agreed, titling an article about something that is expected to happen as if it has happened surely violates at least some policies and guidelines. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  Multiple RS are mentioning "israel-linked". bbcftreuters. it is not my added context. Further, the update has the same info on the page.37.252.94.105 (talk) 21:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  As I said, it was for clarity, not to accuse you of making things up. Reliable sources also say it's a Portuguese ship and I think that's the part that can't be inferred from the blurb. Anything you add to this blurb will inherently be Israel/Israeli/Iran/Iranian-linked. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Wait Until we know what their payload and targets are, and whether they actually strike (before Israel can shoot them down), this is an unclear situation. --Masem (t) 20:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Wait Hasn't actually happened yet, so we need to wait to see if the strikes even occur in the first place. If they strike (or even if they don't hit but just get shot down) then definitely support. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Ship is already in Iranian waters and india has reached out to Iranian diplomatic channels. [1]37.252.94.105 (talk) 20:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support when it happens We should theoretically wait, but it's better to have the consensus ready for when it happens. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that was the point in the original comment37.252.94.105 (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Update: Oppose until the massive orange-tagged problems in the Background section are fixed. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. Also, hundreds of cruise missiles are underway, and Iran is readying many dozens of ballistic missiles for firing. Apparently, the plan is to time the drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles such that they arrive at roughly the same time at the targets in Israel. Count Iblis (talk) 21:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until the results of the impending cruise missile/drone attacks are more clear. Even if they are unsuccessful though, I still support an eventual blurb as even a failed strike of this magnitude is very likely to result in dramatic military escalations in the region. Flip^andFlopped ツ 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Ongoing removal : Haitian crisis

Article: Haitian crisis (2018–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian (12 April), Miami Herald (12 April), LA Times (12 April), ...
Article updated

Attacks have largely stopped and situation has largely cooled down. Lukt64 (talk)

• Support removal This doesn't seem to be something that has near daily widespread coverage (compared to the Gaza or Ukraine conflicts). --Masem (t) 13:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose What an odd claim. There is only one functioning hospital in the capital, women are dying in childbirth, schools, universities, hospitals and ships have been looted and burned in the last week, and kidnappings are reported daily (including the entire crew of a container ship). Most international papers (Le Monde, Toronto Star, BBC, Washington Post, etc.) reported on Haiti yesterday, since the Transitional Council was just officially created by decree *yesterday*. Currently, Sudan and Haiti are two of the largest humanitarian crises in the world. See above for three stories in the last day (I did not bother reporting *all* of the dozens of different sources reporting on the transitional council). As J. Charles says the situation today is one of [...] panic. You don’t know what every day is going to bring. You wake up and you hear the gunshots. People are telling me that when they don’t hear the gunfire, that’s when they start to panic and wonder what’s wrong, because it’s become such a constant for them now. Unfortunately, with the vandalism, the burning, and the looting of hospitals, it’s very difficult to get health care. source (12 April 2024)-- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 13:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  I agree that it's probably too early to remove this, but if the current status quo continues for another few months, as awful as it is, I don't think it should be ongoing. So, Oppose, but we should re-evaluate the item in the next few months PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Also. Haiti may be horrible, but gaza, ukraine and sudan is worse. Lukt64 (talk) 15:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I mean, it isn't really a competition. Bremps... 17:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support removal It has been ongoing for quite a long time now. Long ongoing events such as Yemen's (2014–) and Syria's (2012–) respective civil wars don't have a chance to be on the ITN template. And I agree that the Haitian crisis doesn't seem to have near daily widespread coverage compared to the situations in Ukraine or Gaza. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:2828:34A4:A394:A86F (talk) 19:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

2024 Bondi Junction stabbings

Article: 2024 Bondi Junction stabbings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A knife attack in Sydney, Australia, leaves seven people dead. (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Stephen (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Stephen 10:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait death of seven people in a attack is very notable but currently the article is nowhere near ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 10:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

trivial event by 2024 in the West, just look at the us where things like that happen daily in Chiraq Kasperquickly (talk) 13:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't really think it's fair to compare routine gang violence to a mass murder incident targeting random civilians in a place where significant violent acts are extremely rare to begin with. Koiramainen (talk) 15:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

"The West" isn't a homogenous entity PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support This is a significant event. Mass casualty crime is extremely rare in Australia. Article quality is now adequate for posting and will improve as more information becomes available via ordinary editing and expansion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - no indication this will have a lasting impact. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 17:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose unfortunate event but given that there does not appear to be any tied to terrorism or other larger scheme, this is just a domestic crime. --Masem (t) 17:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support This is a significant event. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 17:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support A rare event to happen in Australia. Aircorn (talk) 17:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support Fairly high number of casualties and it's a very unusual event for Australia. Koiramainen (talk) 17:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support This event is rare, is currently having a major impact on the country of Australia, and is being widely reported upon across the world. It is therefore "in the news"... that's enough. The section is called "in the news" and not "articles about events that Wikipedians speculate will have a lasting impact", for a reason... Flip^andFlopped ツ 17:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  That logic is used all the time to refuse posting stories that take place in the US. Would we post a stabbing spree if it happened there? Probably not. So no reason we should post this. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 18:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  A fair criticism, but for the record, if it was an American stabbing spree which was similarly rare in its nature, involved multiple deaths, and was generating global coverage, I personally would support it. Flip^andFlopped ツ 20:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  The issue is the lasting impact. We are far too quick to create articles on these types of events that ultimately fail NEVENT and only are created because of the burst of coverage. Unless there was a terrorism or similar angle to these attacks, it is unlikely to change Australian laws. — Masem (t) 20:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - A sad event, but not of the level of notability of ITN. Would we ever post this if it wasn't in a Western country? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  • Oppose per this logic, unless the motive indicates something that might make it have a wider impact such as terrorism I don't believe it should be posted. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose While this does have a fairly high death count, the article as of now does not indicate this will have a lasting impact. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

April 12

Portal:Current events/2024 April 12

April 12, 2024 (2024-04-12) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russia launches drone strikes across Ukraine. Critical infrastructure is damaged in Kherson Oblast and a fire occurs at the Dnieper Hydroelectric Station in Zaporizhzhia causing around half a tonne of oil products to leak into the Dnieper river. (Reuters) (Ukrainska Pravda) War in Sudan Humanitarian impact of the war in Sudan Canada pledges $132.2 million dollars to Sudan to help people affected by the country's ongoing humanitarian crisis. (Global News) Alliance of Sahel States Nigerien crisis Dozens of Russian military instructors arrive in Niger as part of an agreement with the ruling military junta to a install state-of-the-art air defence system. (BBC News) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Hezbollah forces launch dozens of rockets into northern Israel. The militant group says that the missile barrage targeted IDF artillery positions. No casualties are reported. (Al Arabiya) War in Amhara Two Fano militants are killed and a third is arrested during a shootout with police near the Millennium Hall in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia. A civilian is also killed and two officers are wounded. (The Washington Post) Business and economy Economic impact of the Israel–Hamas war, Egypt–European Union relations The European Union pledges €1 billion in short-term financial aid to Egypt to help stabilise the country's economy. (Reuters) International relations Iran–Israel proxy conflict Israeli bombing of the Iranian embassy in Damascus It is reported that Israel is preparing for a direct retaliatory strike from Iran on southern or northern Israel as soon as the next 24 to 48 hours. A person briefed by the Iranian leadership says that while plans to strike are being discussed, no final decision has been made. (The Wall Street Journal) The United States restricts travel for its embassy personnel in Israel amid fears of a retaliation by Iran. (BBC News) The British government advises against all travel to Israel and the Palestinian territories due to the imminent possibility of an Iranian strike. (Middle East Monitor) France advises its citizens against traveling to Iran, Lebanon, Israel Palestine due to the risk of military escalation. (CNN) Germany tells its citizens to leave Iran immediately, saying that "air, land and sea transport routes" will likely be affected by military action in the region. (Reuters) Law and crime Censorship in Mali The military junta in Mali prohibits all forms of media from reporting on activities of political parties and associations. (NOS) Pakistan designates the Iranian Quds Force Liwa Zainebiyoun as a terrorist organization. (VOA) Science and technology Russia successfully test-launches an intercontinental ballistic missile from the Kapustin Yar launch complex in Astrakhan Oblast. (Reuters)

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RD: Eleanor Coppola

Article: Eleanor Coppola (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Wife of Francis Ford Coppola and filmmaker herself. Several unsourced paragraphs. Masem (t) 02:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose the article needs more sources particularly the filmography section. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 10:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Her career, filmography and early life have long stretches without citations. Bremps... 17:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

RD: Roberto Cavalli

Article: Roberto Cavalli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Mooonswimmer 20:28, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Very famous designer, but there are many citation needed templates, so this needs to be addressed. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose missing key section about his shutting down his North America business, that was added w/ copyvio.Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

RD: Robert MacNeil

Article: Robert MacNeil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 18:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose multiple CN tags, but is being updated Staraction (talk | contribs) 18:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose there are several cn tags. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 10:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

B.O.A.T. cause established

Article: GRB 221009A (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Brightest Of All Time (pictured) was caused by an exploding star but heavy elements are missing (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Researchers find that the Brightest Of All Time (pictured) was caused by a supernova, but lacks the expected heavy elements.
News source(s): BBC; Nature Astronomy
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

I missed the news about the B.O.A.T. at the time and I don't recall ITN covering it. This was off-the-scale huge, making the eclipse seem quite insignificant. A peer-reviewed analysis has been published and there seem to be two significant findings. One is that it was caused by a supernova, which wasn't established before. And, second, that there was surprising lack of heavy elements produced by this big bang. We seem to have work to do to reflect this. But, as there are often calls to wait for peer-reviewed analysis of such science, here's an opportunity to follow up. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - this is interesting, but the time to have posted it was when it happened... two years ago. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 18:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as these results are quite inconclusive. But Rockstone is wrong: the story here is the findings, which were released recently, not the BOAT itself. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Maybe unorthodox, but I always like to see more scientific discoveries featured on ITN. The blurb should make it clear that the news is the publishing of the peer-reviewed results. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Don't see this information in question included in the target article, and even if it were, information regarding potential implications of such would be nice as well. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't see this fundamentally changing the understanding of astrophysics, and Earth witnessed the event 2 years ago. I would recommend if this could be DYK to be posted there. --Masem (t) 18:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Conditional Support given that 1) the information is included in the target article and 2) the absolute magnitude of the event is included within the relevant spectra. High encyclopedic value with the timeliness element, and of interest to a significant proportion of our readers. Not all ITN-newsworthy events are crimes, wars, political and sporting events, or life-threatening geological disasters. 142.117.133.114 (talk) 22:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Should be DYN. Didgogns (talk) 00:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Interesting, but better suited for DYK. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Because the word "All" in the name "Brightest Of All Time" is just plain stupid. HiLo48 (talk) 01:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  That's how it is called in sources, that wasn't made up for the blurb. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 02:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  It's irrelevant who uses the word, it's inane. HiLo48 (talk) 10:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  Whether you like the name or not shouldn't be an argument to post/not post. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose While I'd argue that it's at least as notable as the eclipse, it is more suitable for DYK, as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

As people keep saying this, note that articles qualify for DYK by being new, expanded fivefold or passing a GA review. None of these apply and so the suggestion is irrelevant. The topic does however qualify for ITN because it’s in the news — that’s where I noticed it. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose There currently aren't any mentions of this update in the article. So, without knowledge of what implications this finding might have, it seems premature to post this to ITN. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

RD: Gordon Balser

Article: Gordon Balser (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV
Credits:

• Nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and The C of E (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian politician and educator The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:54, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose although the article is sourced enough, it is bit short and there is no information about his life between 2003 and 2024. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 10:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

April 11

Portal:Current events/2024 April 11

April 11, 2024 (2024-04-11) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Mykolaiv strikes At least four people are killed and five others are injured in a Russian missile strike in Mykolaiv. (Reuters) Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russia launches missile and drone strikes across Ukraine, damaging power facilities and causing widespread power outages for about 200,000 people. Ukraine says that the Trypilska thermal power plant in Kyiv Oblast was destroyed in an overnight attack. (Reuters) (Bloomberg) Iran–Israel proxy conflict Israeli bombing of the Iranian embassy in Damascus Russia warns its citizens against travelling to the Middle East amid increasing tensions between Iran and Israel. (CNBC) U.S. President Joe Biden warns that Iran is threatening to launch a significant attack against Israel and promises "ironclad U.S. support" for Israel in the event of an attack. (BBC News) Myanmar civil war The Karen National Union, local PDF groups, and other Karenni organizations seize the town of Myawaddy, Kayin State, from the Tatmadaw after three days of fighting. Junta planes subsequently bomb the town, causing more than 1,000 locals to flee into neighbouring Thailand. (CNN) (Radio Free Asia) Arts and culture Archaeologists announce the discovery of new frescos at the ancient Roman city of Pompeii, depicting mythological ancient Greek figures. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2024 Lake Suviana explosion A search operation at a power plant on Lake Suviana, near Bologna, Italy, has recovered the bodies of three workers who were missing after an explosion two days ago. This brings the confirmed death toll to six. A seventh worker is still missing, while the five injured are still in critical conditions. (Il Resto del Carlino) A Robinson R22 helicopter owned by the Philippine Air Force crashes near a public market in Cavite City, Philippines, killing both pilots. (AFP via Barron's) Law and crime Capital punishment in Vietnam A court in Vietnam sentences tycoon Trương Mỹ Lan to death for embezzling $12.46 billion from the Sai Gon Joint Stock Commercial Bank. (DW) Thirty-eight prisoners escape from a prison in Moroni, Comoros. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 South Korean legislative election South Korean prime minister Han Duck-soo and all senior advisers to President Yoon Suk Yeol resign en masse in response to the results of yesterday's parliamentary elections. (ABC News) The Netherlands increases its military budget to 2 percent of its GDP for the first time since 1994. (Algemeen Dagblad)

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RD: Park Bo-ram

Article: Park Bo-ram (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Korean Herald, The Korea Times
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:FCE8:2031:6457:A266 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Paper9oll (talk · give credit) and Sunuraju (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

240F:7A:6253:1:FCE8:2031:6457:A266 (talk) 04:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose the article is filled with various tags and is no way near even ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 10:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

British Academy Games Awards

Article: 20th British Academy Games Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the 20th British Academy Games Awards, Baldur's Gate 3 wins Best Game. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, NME
Credits:

• Nominated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit)
• Created by Jackedano (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jackedano (talk · give credit)

Article updated

The Wikipedia consensus has been to post The Game Awards results only. However, previous discussion on The Game Awards nomination threads has suggested that the gaming BAFTA's would be more appropriate. As such, for the sake of discussion, I am nominating this item. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• The problem with the BAFTAs is that while I, speaking as a WP:VG editor, would consider them more presidgious than the Game Awards, it lacks the same coverage and viewership as the Game Awards. Even in the gaming media, the number of articles covering the BAFTAs is extremely small compared to what I see for the Game Awards.
  Regardless of that, the article has several issues like unsourced quotes, no section on the ceremony, etc. — Masem (t) 19:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Masem PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose both on significance and article quality. The article has a couple of BBC sources which seem reasonably routine, and the rest are primary sources. This means the article is not good enough to meet WP:ITNQUALITY, but also helps re-affirm the position that ITN worthy levels of coverage probably isn't there for this event. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. The Game Awards are fine. We don't need any more gaming awards and, to my knowledge, these awards are not in fact more noteworthy. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support in Principle - Received good coverage (I followed it on the BBC) and substantially more independent than the Game Awards. However, the article needs some work, as noted above. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability the BAFTAs are very popular wards therefore they are pretty notable but the article needs some work like mentioned above. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 10:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Not sure on notability yet, but the article doesn't seem to have any prose about the event itself (though there is a good amount of prose for the leadup to it). There are also a few unsourced statements, and there are unsourced sections for games with multiple awards and nominations. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

RD: Fritz Peterson

Article: Fritz Peterson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 17:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Support and ready to be posted the article is very well sourced and there is a no apparent issue. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 11:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Truong My Lan conviction

Article: Trương Mỹ Lan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Truong My Lan is sentenced to death for a massive banking fraud in Vietnam. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Truong My Lan is sentenced to death for a banking fraud in Vietnam.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, BBC, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by CrossHouses (talk · give credit)

Article updated

"...the largest corruption scandal in Southeast Asia's history." Andrew🐉(talk) 12:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - Literally one sentence in the article about the decision. Doesn't appear to be that notable either. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

The verdict is the culmination of the trial and the article has several paragraphs about this. As for notability, note that Bernie Madoff was posted at ITN three times for a fraud on a similar scale. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose there is one sentence about the decision (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 14:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support Death sentence and scale of embezzlement seem notable Belugsump (talk) 18:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support given the scale of the event. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, is this on ITN because of her execution? this blurb send the vibe that execution is a rare thing in Vietnam. If the "biggest fruad" in southeastern of Asia is true then we might need an altblurb. 3000MAX (talk) 18:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support The idea that she's getting a death sentence for executing the biggest fraud in southeastern Asia is blurb worthy. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm not seeing the notability in the sentencing itself. Yes, it is a death sentence, but the article does not indicate it is that notable. The event that the sentence was for happened nearly two years ago, so that is stale now. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

  Capital punishment in Vietnam says "Between August 6, 2013 and June 30, 2016, Vietnam executed 429 people." More recent figures are not shown. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC) p.s. I'm not sure we would want to post news about criminal activities before the trial has concluded and in many countries that can take a long time.

Support This is bigger than FTX in terms of money swindled, and we posted the SBF conviction last year. Bremps... 16:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support - A government sanctioned death sentence for a financial crime and the scale of the financial crime is very notable. If the crime itself wasn't on ITN when it was committed, this should be. Berry (talk) 16:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Have to disagree with the seemed consensus (if narrow so far). Yes, we should have covered the crime itself (though, interestingly, I can't find an article for it in spite of supposedly how large it was), but that doesn't mean we post a smaller update to compensate. Conviction is a big thing, but manner of sentencing is a very personal thing, IMO, and not really suitable for ITN. That capital punishment for white collars crimes is rare shouldn't be relevant - that seems to be bordering on trivia. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Tentative support but oppose on article quality If this was a similar event or crime in the western world, we'd likely have a 5000-word article if not more about it. I don't expect a similar size here, but there absolutely must be more about the details of the crimes and the trial before we can post this, as otherwise right now, the article nowhere matches the intensity implied by the blurb. --Masem (t) 18:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability I don't think I have ever heard about death penalty in a fraud case so I think it is a blurb worthy item but sadly the article is not fit to be posted yet. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 11:02, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose on quality per Masem and PrinceofPunjab. Flip^andFlopped ツ 20:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

RD: Akebono Tarō

Article: Akebono Tarō (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Akebono Tarō, the first non-Japanese-born wrestler ever to reach yokozuna, the highest rank in sumo, dies at age 54. (Post)
News source(s): SCMP NYT Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by SpacedFarmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Support, article is a well-written overview of a sumo career. 1stViscountessNivlac (talk) 11:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support, article does have one orange tag but is in a section, and seems written well enough (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Orange tagged and generally needs more citations. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 13:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose blurb who? This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  For someone who is quite active at the ITN/C, you seems to have forgotten WP:ITNCDONT. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 11:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• The First Gaijin Yokozuna of Any Age, that's who. But yeah, the death itself is not a story. And the article is too poorly written right now for a Photo RD (which aren't popular, anyway). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Orange tag needs to be solved and update on death is not significant enough to warrant featuring I think. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:33, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support A fairly well-written article, and recent changes suggest that it is no longer a stub. - OtharLuin (talk) 09:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Simply being the first non-Japanese sumo champion is not really an indication of being a major figure in that field. And from reading, he was good but nowhere close to the greatest figures within Sumo history. RD is fine here. --Masem (t) 18:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

  I'm just going to take the time to respond to what seems to be a not very well informed and poor take... Only one sumo wrestler out of 400 reaches the rank of yokozuna, and even though Akebono is not the most successful in terms of results, the simple fact that he is the first non-Japanese-born wrestler to reach that rank makes him a leading figure in the sport. The news of his death continues to generate a ton of reactions two days after the announcement, and caused a sensation in the specialised press (see Nikkan Sports, Tokyo Sports, Sports Hochi) when the international press reports the death of "a legend" or "a pioneer" (see The Japan Times, CBS Sports, The Guardian) - OtharLuin (talk) 07:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb (provisionally). I have to agree, too many ill-informed "who?" comments here. To get to the top of a sport and be the first non-native to do it is very much an achievement as well as being able to branch out into other combat sports/sports entertainment endevours I think is worthy of a blurb. However, I clarify my support is only provisional based on the article getting more sourcing but I definately think he is notable enough at the top of his field for blurb. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Looks to me to a similar case as Sidney Poitier, who was blurbed. Article looks fine. Orange tag mainly refers to his post-sumo wrestling career - a quick fix could be to just delete the unsubstantiated parts of that. So overall worthy of a blurb, and it would be nice for once to feature a non-Western sport on ITN. Khuft (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Neutral on blurb Certainly a notable person and a unique achievement — being a yokozuna, and the first foreign-born one at that, he was definitely at the top of his field. Unfortunately, might not be enough of a household name to be blurbed, and the meaning of the achievement might not be obvious to most readers. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose blurb, support RD Although I am very sympathetic to the arguments that he is a major figure in his field and his death is objectively 'in the news', a lot of the current death articles in major sources are very brief obituaries. In the case of Sidney Poitier mentioned by Khuft above, he was continuously ITN because he appeared at the Oscars, centres were being named after him, etc, in the decade preceding his death - and there was a lot more substantive coverage of his life/legacy beyond just mere news obituaries. In the case of OJ Simpson, you can also see this greater degree of "buzz" around the major highlights of his life being discussed, as opposed to just brief obits. By contrast, I'm not seeing much of that sort of content in the article -- in fact most of the content for the past decade are just local Japanese-language sports articles and periodic updates about his health. However, if the article were updated accordingly I could change my vote. Flip^andFlopped ツ 20:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

April 10

Portal:Current events/2024 April 10

April 10, 2024 (2024-04-10) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Kharkiv strikes Russian airstrikes in Kharkiv Oblast kill at least three people and injure four others. (Reuters) Odesa strikes Four people are killed and seven others are injured in a Russian missile strike in Odesa. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war An Israeli attack in Gaza kills three civilians related to Ismail Haniyeh. (Haaretz) Business and economy 2023–2024 video game industry layoffs American video game company Epic Games announces that it will lay-off around 870 employees, roughly one-sixth of its workforce, due to slower growth than expected. (CBC via Yahoo! News) Disasters and accidents A bus carrying Eid Al-Fitr pilgrims collides and plunges into a ditch in Balochistan, Pakistan, killing seventeen people and injuring 16 others. (AP) Five people are killed and 35 others are injured in a fire at the New Lucky House in Kowloon, Hong Kong. (Reuters) A person is killed by flooding in Mississippi, United States, as severe weather hits the Southern United States. (CBS News) Politics and elections 2024 South Korean legislative election South Koreans vote for members of the National Assembly. The opposition, primarily consisting of the Democratic Party, its alliance and the Rebuilding Korea Party, wins the election in a landslide, increasing their legislative majority but falling short of the two-thirds supermajority needed to pass constitutional amendments or override the veto of President Yoon Suk Yeol. (Reuters) 2024 United States presidential election Cornel West names Melina Abdullah as his VP pick as part of his presidential campaign. (Politico)

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(Reviewers needed) RD: Eric Sievers

Article: Eric Sievers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SI
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

NFL football player in the 1980s—Bagumba (talk) 17:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is well-sourced, seems ready for RD. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

2024 South Korean legislative election

Article: 2024 South Korean legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ South Koreans vote for members of the National Assembly. The opposition, primarily consisting of the Democratic Party, its alliance and the Rebuilding Korea Party, wins the election in a landslide, increasing their legislative majority but falling short of the two-thirds supermajority needed to pass constitutional amendments or override the veto of President Yoon Suk Yeol. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the 2024 South Korean legislative election, the Democratic Party-led opposition alliance increases its majority in parliament, although falling short of a two-thirds supermajority.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In the 2024 South Korean legislative election, the Democratic Party-led opposition alliance increases its majority in parliament.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by 117.53.77.84 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

117.53.77.84 (talk) 17:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb, though would like to see some expansion of the Reactions secton. The Kip 18:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• SUPPORT ALTBLURB per significance, blurb version is too long. 3000MAX (talk) 18:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb, although the article in its current state is too table-heavy and prose-light. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability One of the most surprising election results of South Korea I ever saw, but will need some expansion. Ahn Cheol-soo charged the defeat off 2024 South Korean doctors' strike, Sim Sang-jung announced her retirement, and Hong Joon-pyo seriously questioned the ability of Han Dong-hoon as a politician. Didgogns (talk) 23:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Marked as ITNR as this is a general election. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability but oppose on quality lot of tables with no prose. Shadow4dark (talk) 00:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Support altblurb for conciseness. MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Comment - Might be good to also mention that the People Power Party won the popular vote by a large majority PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

It is nowhere close to "won"; sum of DP vote and Korea Reform vote exceeds 50%. Korea Reform's slogan is "3 years is too long", and they would do anything to elect next president earlier than 2027. Didgogns (talk) 22:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I meant Rebuilding Korea Didgogns (talk) 22:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

By a plurality (36.7%), not a majority. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• • • I meant margin, not majority. Slip of the tongue PrecariousWorlds (talk) 05:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

      No worries! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 05:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support and propose even shorter blurb Not sure why the two-thirds majority is even mentioned - it's rare in any democratic system for a party/alliance to achieve such a supermajority. New blurb should be sufficient. Article is fine. Khuft (talk) 17:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb 2 per Khuft. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Mister Cee

Article: Mister Cee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 107.116.183.25 (talk · give credit) and Staraction (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article may need more updates. Staraction (talk | contribs) 17:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support The man who "made" Biggie Smalls and Big Daddy Kane was 57; no glaring issues and the "currently unknown" cause of death has to wait. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support. A short article, but well-cited. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support per InedibleHulk. Ready for posting. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

(Posted as RD) Blurb/RD: O. J. Simpson

Article: O. J. Simpson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American former NFL player O. J. Simpson dies at age 76. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ American football Hall of Fame running back O. J. Simpson dies at age 76.
Alternative blurb II: ​ American football Hall of Fame running back and murder suspect O. J. Simpson dies at age 76.
Alternative blurb III: ​ American football Hall of Fame running back, murder suspect and convicted criminal O. J. Simpson dies at age 76.
News source(s): Variety, BBC, New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
• Created by Vera Cruz (talk · give credit)
• Updated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Weak oppose on quality -- almost the entire filmography is unsourced. Oppose blurb as his death is not that notable. Estreyeria (talk) 15:07, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

...as his death is not that notable is not a reason for oppose. It could be that his death was unceremonious. What do you expect? Get shot by a family member of that double murder, get beaten to death in a cell or be found hanged there. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb The news is that he died of cancer, not his football career or the double murder he was acquitted of. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support, defendant of the most publicised trial in history definitely deserves to be posted. TwinBoo (talk) 15:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose, the filmography is unsourced but otherwise there's a single {{cn}} tag and that shouldn't be too hard to fix. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Strongly oppose blurb due to WP:BDP concerns of blurbing someone for being defendant at a murder trial. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:03, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for RD for the usual reason. Oppose blurb No where near significant enough for a blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  As of this cmt, there are at least 10 CN tags, plus the poorly sourced filmography. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Support RD Good enough now. Still opposed to a blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Conditional support on RD if the sections and filmography is sourcedand improved. Oppose blurb since he is not that notable worldwide. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 15:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Football player, movie star, criminal and as the result famous all over the world. He was one of the most talked figures of 90s. The news about his death was always going to be big story in the news. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support The white bronco chase, the trial, and the result were a big deal. He's still talked about now and multiple documentaries have been released in recent years regarding the events.

  Noah, AA^Talk 15:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  It's a valid argument, but the blurb should clarify the notariety e.g. "Infamous murder suspect and convicted criminal..." Tonymetz 💬 17:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb but oppose on quality the article is not ready but since he is a household name, I think his death should be blurbed when the article is improved. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb The main thing for which he is known is being the defendant in a murder trial in which he was found not guilty. Without that, he would just be another sportsperson who did a bit of acting. So what it really comes down to is - does Wikipedia blurb people just because there was a media circus surrounding their criminal trial? My answer to that question is an emphatic "no". I note with interest that the blurb describes Simpson as "American former NFL player", but if we were to determine his merit based on his football career alone, it's doubtful he would be blurbed. A more honest blurb would refer to him being the defendant in a murder trial. Chrisclear (talk) 15:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

This is akin to saying "The main thing which Peter Higgs was known for is discovering a boson particle. If not for that, he would be just another physicist who did a bit of research" or "The main thing which Ronald Reagan is known for is being President. If not for that, he would be just another actor turned politician". You can make anyone's death sound non-notable if you phrase it in this way. Yes, his notability stems from his criminal trial. It was the trial of the century and made huge cultural shockwaves around the world. And for the record, I am actually supportive of adding a reference to his trial in the blurb itself as you specify. Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:46, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I think the Peter Higgs comparison (or just about any other blurb) is a poor comparison. With Higgs, it's that he did something. Whereas with Simpson, it's that there was a media circus surrounding a court trial. So it's not that Simpson did something notable, (as I assume you are aware, he was found not guilty) but rather that the media turned the trial into a big spectacle. Chrisclear (talk) 15:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

The issue is, a death blurb being about being defendant at a murder trial, especially one where he was found not guilty (rather than, a major scientific discovery or a presidency) raises major WP:BLP concerns (or in this case WP:BDP as a recent death). Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh good grief, hyperbole much. Listing his death as a blurb would be a BLP concern? Maybe tell that to the Guardian, who've led with it on their front page this afternoon, warn them that they may be sued... The bottom line is that Wikipedia doesn't decide whether people are famous or not, and we certainly don't apply "value judgements" in deciding whom to feature. It's about time we honoured our mission of taking people to articles that are in the news rather than just following the whims and preferences of the regulars here at ITN/C.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

No need to bring legal issues into this, our BLP policy on Wikipedia has nothing to do with what the Guardian is legally allowed to do. The value judgement is in the fact that, yes, people "famous" for legal issues are afforded a certain level of privacy over them (more than in some traditional newspapers, as you observed), and we wouldn't blurb "X person, famous for being accused of a crime, is dead". Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

This has more first page coverage in to sources than Higgs' death. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb currently also dominating the headline outside the US, so clearly there is international significance. He is of course famous for the trial, which was a historically significant trial, in particular with regards to its impact on race relations and debates on race. 2A02:908:676:E640:EC4A:197C:9331:E949 (talk) 15:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose blurb He was not a transformative figure in any of his fields, plus the circumstances of his death are not out of the ordinary at all. As others have mentioned, not ready to be listed as RD. rawmustard (talk) 15:46, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  There has never been a condition where the circumstances of someone's death has to be itself a notable event. Harizotoh9 (talk) 15:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  I'd argue that he was transformative in the field of crime. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  But his escape from murder scene and trial transformed the media and the way things are depicted on TV. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Strongly support blurb per Harizotoh's comment above. A highly notable figure's death is made no less notable just because he died of disease as opposed to some freak car accident... are we seriously going to make that the standard? We routinely post people who died in "non-notable ways" all the time. Moreover, this death is garnering way more coverage than any of the other items currently listed on ITN - it would be silly, disconnected from reality, and overtly bureaucratic not to post, IMHO. Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb not anyone with an impact or legacy, and we are seeing simply based on fame and or notarity being used to elevate that, which should not be a blurb reason. Oppose RD on quality. There are a few cn around, the filmography needs sourcing, and I would see if that popular culture can be trimmed or merged around. For example, it doesn't need to list works that are documentaries of his trial, which should be actually on the trial page and part of its media coverage. - - Masem (t) 15:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Admin comment This should be listed under April 10 (date he died) I'd move it but on a phone, I cant trust a clean move. Masem (t) 15:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Moved. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb (when ready). Probably for the wrong reasons, but this is someone who's fame transcends the original confines of what he was famous for, such that he's now a household name the world over. His death is front page news across the globe, so this is a fairly clear blurb for me, particularly given that some other fairly routine figures not in the "Thatcher/Mandela" sphere have been blurbed of late.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose blurb I don’t see any sane argument for a blurb. As an NFL player, he’s never won the Super Bowl and won only one MVP award (there are many players with much greater achievements); as an actor, there’s absolutely no indication of any significance whatsoever that would put him on top of the field. Finally, the delicts he committed don’t make him a high-profile criminal for sure. Considering that famous scientists and artists with landmark contributions to their fields were dismissed for a blurb, a nomination of a criminal whose delicts garnered media attention probably because he had been already known for his past NFL career is sheer derision of Wikipedia and its reputation as an encyclopaedia.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  The "sane" argument is that his death is in the news. All over the news in every country. And our purpose is to provide easy access to articles pertaining to that that news in the form of links from the main page. Your opinions of his achievements are irrelevant.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  That is not ITN's purpose, that would be the basis for a news ticker.
  ITN specifically ignores fame, popularity, and aspects like being a household name or have mass coverage of their death. — Masem (t) 16:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  It's literally point 1 of ITNPURPOSE. And fame and popularity are factors that go into reaching consensus for a death blurb whether you personally approve of that or not. Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  At this point I'm honestly starting to doubt whether Wikipedia having a pseudo-"news ticker" is in fact a good thing. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  No, we purpusely ignore fame and popularity - that what leads to bad blurbs like Betty White and Carrie Fisher. It makes ITNC an attempt for a popularity vote (look how many editors are here that regularly do not participate in ITN for this entry). We have to fight against the urge to post a topic just because of these types of factors when the person otherwise lacks the type of top-of-field recognition. And ignoring his legal factors, he was nowhere close to a top tier actor, and while he may be in the Hall of Fame, there are also nearly 380 ppl in there, with roughly 20 ppl per year added, there is no way every signel one of them has the level of top tier as like Jim Brown or Tom Brady. He made no lasting impact or legacy to the world, outside of the mass coverage his trial got. So he fails all importance criteria we use. — Masem (t) 00:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

  He was a high profile criminal, being a high profile star. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb his death is most certainly ITN, and article quality is high. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb - Wow this is a massive death. Actually quite shocked at this, bloody hell PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb, the death isn't news. Just a notable person died. Article still looks like it has some cleaning to do? microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 16:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Probably the only American football player I'd support because of his fame. FWIW BDP is not about legal issues. There's a reason the foundation mandates BLP but not BDP. However, the most recent RfC concerning BDP's close states that BDP should apply by default so I'd oppose any wording mentioning the trial. Sincerely, Dilettante 16:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb - Very notable individual because of his notoriety and the global news coverage. --TheDutchViewer (talk) 16:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb because his career was not especially exceptional in any of the fields he worked in (no, not even crime); Oppose RD because of unresolved quality issues in the article, as discussed above. Comment - However, manner of death is not a criterion for any of this, and arguing for or against his inclusion on that basis doesn't really carry much weight. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb. A very famous and well-known figure. While his football career – which itself was pretty notable – would ordinarily not be enough, the extensive coverage and notoriety he received for the murder trial adds up to being significant enough. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  O.J. trial was probably one of the most significant judicial events in the last 70 years, it was named the "Trial of the Century" for a reason PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, labelled as such by the media to sell newspapers. - SchroCat (talk) 21:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

  Citation needed. It's pretty ridiculous to assert that his fame only came from a few media outlets wanting "to sell newspapers." BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD Person is very notable, but the news is not talking about his career or even the murder trial, and quality is to be improved. Editor 5426387 (talk) 16:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
  • the news is not talking about his career or even the murder trial – really? I mean, he's the second story listed on The New York Times and the number one story on The Guardian, as well as front page on BBC and Al Jazeera. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Neither his death is for a notorious cause nor his career is comparable to that of Higgs, Maradona, Pelé or Thatcher or other people whose death has been blurbed. It does not make sense. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose RD and oppose blurb - quality is not up to standards and lasting impact of Simpson is questionable, so blurb is excessive ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 16:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Strongly Oppose Blurb and Neutral on RD -- Subject was best well known for his criminal murder trial, civil wrongful death conviction, and conviction for O._J._Simpson_robbery_case . Overall not newsworthly, but the blurb "NFL Player...Dies" betrays the subject's notoriety. This would diminish WP:WPs stature in the same way that Washington Post calling Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi "Austere Religious Scholar" [4] did . Tonymetz 💬 17:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  "Infamous murder suspect, convicted criminal and NFL celebrity dies of cancer" Tonymetz 💬 17:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  @Stephen can we polish it a bit? Tonymetz 💬 18:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  re: revert can we be more constructive with the comment? Tonymetz 💬 18:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Overall not newsworthy – even when it is a front-page feature on some of the most prominent newspapers in the world and in numerous countries? Even that Newsweek story you mention about al-Baghdadi features a big red line at the top: "BREAKING: O. J. Simpson Dead". BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:26, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  I aim for a higher standard for WPs frontpage than newsweek. Other editors may argue for a lower bar and hopefully consensus meets in the middle. Tonymetz 💬 17:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Of course Newsweek shouldn't be the only consideration. Numerous other major international papers, such as the NYT, BBC, Guardian, France 24, Al Jazeera, etc. – as well as many newspapers of record for individual nations I checked – should be, though. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  @Mooonswimmer I move to change blurb to "Infamous murder suspect, convicted criminal and NFL celebrity dies of cancer" Tonymetz 💬 17:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  "Infamous" isn't specifically included on WP:WTW, but it probably should be. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  what does it mean to you? To me "infamous" means "famous, but for nefarious reasons" Tonymetz 💬 17:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  It means WP:PUFFERY. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  it's good prose and WP:DUE in this case. The subject's life was overwhelmingly nefarious Tonymetz 💬 18:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  It is bad prose, as MOS:WTW discusses. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  OJ Simpson dead: Infamous murder suspect and American Football star dies aged 76

  Anna Baio / Independent.co.uk via yahoo Tonymetz 💬 19:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Wikipedia isn't written like a headline, and we refrain from using the kind of loaded words that are common in news headlines. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  I’m the RD nominator but I’m opposed to a blurb. Mooonswimmer 22:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Can we at least get the article to sufficient quality before arguing about blurbs? The filmography is orange tagged and there's three cn tags. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:27, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, support RD iff referencing issues are addressed. Mjroots (talk) 17:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD _pbp 17:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Support RD. Not relevant enough for a blurb (oppose blurb), like Higgs a couple of days ago. Bedivere (talk) 17:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb when ready I don't think any one of the things he is known for justifies a blurb in isolation, but together, and in particular the fact he was the subject of one of the most notable trials of the last few decades, and which has hugely influenced popular culture, I think there's a good case to run one. 2A02:C7E:30F9:A600:4DAF:47D:BA7E:157F (talk) 18:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb per the IP above me. Kevinishere15 (talk) 18:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Plenty of name recognition in this case and so RD will suffice. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Plenty of name recognition ... so RD will suffice – So you're saying blurb is only for people who don't have major notability? Huh? That doesn't make any sense. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

    The article has lots of interesting details: that his father was a drag queen; that he had rickets as a child and so was bow-legged; that he didn't know his own name until the third grade; and that he joined a gang called the Persian Warriors. But the proposed blurb doesn't tell us any of this or any of his other claims to fame or explain the details of his death. It just says that he was a football player like the many others that are listed in the RD ticker. The proposed blurb therefore provides no added value and is not needed. Running his picture would be ok though, as we have a good one. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

    If you don't think the present blurb is good enough then propose another; although I'll say that opposing on the basis that his blurb doesn't mention his father was a drag queen is patently absurd. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

    There's some discussion of better blurbs above but there doesn't seem to be a consensus. My position remains that we can do without a blurb. There will be plenty of readers regardless. (2.4 million) Andrew🐉(talk) 21:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

    Which is over 10 TIMES more than Peter Higgs, who's currently posted. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Simpson's trial was a major global event that made him world famous, whether we think it should have been or not. It has been covered in multiple in-depth documentaries and dramatisations over the last 30 years. Consider that the British public would usually have no interest in the personal life of an NFL player, but he is the leading story on the BBC. There is extensive coverage of his death on the BBC, and a search through the archives shows extensive coverage of his release in 2017, which again, would not usually mean a row of beans in the UK. It's also top bracket news on Spain's El País and France's Le Monde, two countries where American football of the 1970s would not mean anything to the general public. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support blurb, Oppose on quality I'm a little hesitant to back a blurb, but the OJ case was a "trial of the century" moment that (unfortunately) made him a worldwide household name to this day. Like stated above, the global coverage of his death is significant. The Kip 18:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• I was able to add about 30 cites – there's now only three sentences and five filmography entries missing citations. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb O.J. Simpson and the media circus around his trial definitely supports the idea that he should be in the recent deaths, not to mention the trial's significance on pop culture and media coverage in general. User:JRHistorical (talk) 18:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb The impact the trial has had on history, criminology, and the judiciary is significant enough to warrant the blurb for O.J., given his status as the defendant of a trial that we've continued discussing regularly in the public sphere for three decades. DrewieStewie (talk) 19:09, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb (upon ready) A more significant household name the world over than someone who played football and did some film work. Brought the world of criminal justice, proceedings to a larger audience. CoatCheck (talk) 19:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb His trial was historic. He wasn't. And frankly, do we want someone who in 90% of the world is only really known for being a serial criminal on the Main Page for weeks? I'll pass on that, thanks. Black Kite (talk) 19:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Even counting the double murder as a crime, a single armed robbery over a decade later hardly makes a Heisman Trophy winner a "serial" criminal when he dies at 76. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Filmography and some sections in the media portrayal section need some ref work.Support RD Article looks good enough for posting. Neutral on blurb since he had an impact on pop culture, however I could see how an RD tag could suffice.Support blurb As Ryan Reeder pointed out, death is making significant news coverage across the world, showing he was at least notable outside of the U.S. and his article is in good shape. As mentioned earlier (don't know from who), he has also made an impact on pop culture and he was the subject to, what has been regarded to, the trial of the century. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Is anyone forgetting that, as despicable as you may find him (and no arguments to the contrary here), he is a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and widely regarded as one of the greatest running backs of all time? Sizerth (talk) 20:44, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality (Still some unsupported statements) oppose blurb. Not a transformative figure in any aspect of his life and a natural death at an old age. Doesn’t tick many of the usual boxes for a blurb. - SchroCat (talk) 20:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• There's two cn tags left and the filmography is sourced. Thoughts? @Estreyeria, Chaotic Enby, Ad Orientem, The Herald, PrinceofPunjab, GenevieveDEon, Mike gigs, MonarchOfTerror, The Kip, and TDKR Chicago 101: BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  That's good enough for RD. The two CNs are not highly controversial claims although they should be sourced. Still opposed to a blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Should be good for RD. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Yep, looks good enough for RD. Still oppose blurb per AO. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 21:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Just a reminder to Americans that playing American football does not make one important outside that country. I say this as an Australian who would never dare to seek a blurb for a player of Australian football, using that as one of the supporting factors. This makes him a famous alleged criminal. That's not enough. HiLo48 (talk) 22:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  playing American football does not make one important outside that country.

  Nobody’s claiming that. What people are pointing out is that his death is on the front page of the BBC (where it’s actually currently the top story), Le Monde, La Repubblica, and El Pais, among other non-American papers, which establishes that yes, he was at least somewhat notable to people outside the U.S. The Kip 23:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Also on the front pages of both of Australia's newspapers of record. Clearly notable outside the U.S. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Perhaps not the case here - but keep in mind that what your computer shows you on the front page of many sites - especially BBC News, is a function of both your location, and your browser history. Nfitz (talk) 23:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Perhaps for BBC and the English-language versions of papers of note, but I checked the native-language sites of the above papers - it’s one of the top stories on all three. The Kip 00:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

  Because he played American football? HiLo48 (talk) 08:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

  He was famous all over the world, and 90s qas the time when what happened in US became known in every part of the world. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support blurb per DrewieStewie, and also noting that he was "one of the first African-Americans to play a leading role in advertising and in movies", per Alan Dershowitz: The Hill Staraction (talk | contribs) 23:03, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  That'd be a bit more impressive if another "one of the first" hadn't done it 60 years earlier. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  A lot happened in those 60 years to make it notable that OJ was the first in the post-civil rights movement era. DrewieStewie (talk) 02:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

  Sidney Poitier had won his Oscar and Bill Cosby in advertising was well on its way to becoming an encyclopedia entry while this Simpson fellow was in high school. As a black athlete, maybe he was a bit ahead of his time in endorsement deals (discounting Alice Coachman for Coke, 1952). Only a brief spell, though, till Air Jordan changed the game for dozens of sportspeople or golfers to far outsell this sellout. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Posted as RD, blurb discussion can continue. Stephen 23:07, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. He was a record-breaking football player over 40 years ago; his records have not stood. He wasn't actually groundbreaking as a criminal. The murder trial was sensational due to his celebrity, but was not otherwise unusual. His robbery conviction was just the culmination of selfish stupidity. BD2412 T 23:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
  • "not otherwise unusual" – I mean, he's on the front page on a substantial number of major newspapers worldwide. What else could there be? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
    • That was basically a blip. A novelty. There was nothing sustained about it. The murders themselves were typical of thousands of other double murders not committed by a one-time football star. BD2412 T 18:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
      • The murders themselves were typical of thousands of other double murders not committed by a one-time football star. – The manner of the murder is irrelevant. What matters is if Simpson is In The News – something that being on the front page on a substantial number of the major newspapers in the world, whether its being a headline in North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Australia or Africa – which Simpson is all of – proves. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Given his pseudo-criminal status, it is highly unlikely that NFL or any other professional sports will mourn his death. Didgogns (talk) 23:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  pseudo-criminal? He was convicted on multiple charges, including kidnapping and armed robbery - and was sentenced to 33 years in jail. That's hardly "pseudo"? Nfitz (talk) 23:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Oh... then he's just a criminal Didgogns (talk) 23:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  He's a famous criminal still honoured by the sports hall for other reasons. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  Maybe I'm wrong - front page of The Beaverton now - perhaps there is something to this. Nfitz (talk) 03:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb - he's not blurbable as a B-list (or maybe C-list) actor. And even his sports career was very local - and we don't blurb many gridiron player deaths. The only reason we are having this discussion is that he killed his wife - and got away with it in the civil trial; and perhaps the twist of the later decision that he had killed his wife in the civil case. And the extra twist of his turning to criminal activity and burglaries. I don't think we typically have blurbs for someone whose primary claim to fame is killing someone. Nfitz (talk) 23:37, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support 1 of the alt blurbs I think the combo of being a HOF football player & being the defendant in a hugely major murder trial makes O.J.'s death blurbable. His death is making worldwide headlines. I think the football portion of his blurb should mirror the blurb used for Jim Brown. I'd lean towards mentioning that he was a murder suspect in the blurb, but I think it isn't a major problem if that's omitted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Old Man Dies Since I'm already here and blurb discussion apparently continues, I may as well make it official. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb The article has only a one sentence update about his death, and the death is not notable in and of itself. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb It looks like the votes will be close on this one, so I'll throw in my two cents. His death might not reach the Thatcher/Mandela threshold of notability (very few do, and honestly, he's close), but he's definitely above the Higgs/Toriyama threshold (no disrespect intended), who were both recently blurbed Ryan Reeder (talk) 00:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb: Ryan Reeder makes a good point. OJ definitely has more notability/notoriety as some other people who were blurbed. Also major news networks across the world clearly think this is a big deal because it's front page all over the world.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 00:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

  The kid is certainly hot tonight, as the guy from Loverboy once said, but where will he be tomorrow? Or in two weeks, seriously; why will readers need to remember the Juice or Boson Guy died? These delays happen. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb - like it or not, he was super infamous and a household name. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb as per InedibleHulk. Regardless of how infamous he was in life, there isn't anything particularly notable about his death. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

  It os not the only rationale for a blurb. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per above, and general principle against RDB This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb outsized coverage across the press, per above. Trial was a large cultural feature that has been discussed for quite some time. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb His death is all over social Media, newspapers, TV and radio, therefore he should be blurbed. LiamKorda 03:54, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• VOTE TALLY Since there has been a large influx of votes which has created a rather daunting wall of text, I have done the courtesy of tallying the votes. With regards purely to notability, there are currently by my count 28 votes in favour of a blurb and 27 votes opposed to a blurb. It is safe to say it is an even split. Flip^andFlopped ツ 05:43, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb - Sorry if I'm a little late to the party for this one. I believe he's notable enough to be blurbed, as news outlets from all across the world are talking about it, and he certainly exceeds some of the people we've recently blurbed in terms of general popularity, even if his cultural impact might not be as prominent. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 07:18, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: if we run a blurb here based on getting attention across the world, then the blurb should reflect why he gets attention around the globe, which isn't for being a good American football player or a Naked Gun supporting actor, but because of the bizarre arrest and murder trial of a B- or C-list celebrity. The first few suggested blurbs here are not representative of this. Fram (talk) 14:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

  He wasn't a B or C-list celebrity. He was top football player and was also in other films, lke Capricorn One. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Firstly as noted by Fram the blurbs fail to reflect why his death attracted significant coverage in many countries. While his death has attracted coverage in many English-speaking countries, it's certainly not overwhelming. For example, in India coverage has been sparse. It's ultimately an editorial decision and as an encyclopaedia I think we should blurb people like Peter Higgs and shouldn't blurb people like Simpson. AusLondonder (talk) 14:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb: I think that the sheer discussion surrounding this blurb speaks for itself. For instance, even though I was formally facinated with Higgs I still did not hear about his death until the blurb, it was simply not "In the news". I heard about OJ's death 4 hours after it hit the front page of every newspaper (yes in america, but still). I understand that it might be less international than famous scientists or geopolitics, but it is still all over the news. Normalman101 (talk) 14:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb: O. J. Simpson's death that has been widely publicized and in the news. Also per Ryan Reeder --Pithon314 (talk) 18:34, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb. Not a transformative figure, even if notable in pop culture. Highly covered, but so are many American celebrity deaths. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:46, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support Blurb - Some of the oppose rationales are somewhat silly, like he wasn't a transformational person or that he only won one MVP award. On the other hand, he was very famous in several fields. There was football, where I would argue that becoming the first 2000 yard rusher was transformational. Not to mention his HOF, Heisman, MVP, and still holds the record for rushing yards per game 50 years later. As an actor he was not transformational, but I am sure that most people my age still remember his Hertz commercials if nothing else (and some probably remember other acting roles). And of course there was the Bronco chase and the trial of the century, which certainly impacted race relations, TV coverage of trials, and probably some aspects of subsequent US jurisprudence itself. All in all, he was far more famous, for multiple reasons, than most notable Hall of Fame football players, actors or defendants. He - and his death - has received substantial new coverage. His death ought to have a blurb. Rlendog (talk) 18:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

  As a late discussion reminder, ITN specifically does not consider fame or popularity or household name status as a reason to post a blurb. It's why the oppose !votes are asking if he was a major figure in his various fields. Masem (t) 18:50, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb: Rlendog summed it up pretty well but I think it's important to include "murder suspect" (or something similar) in the blurb. Only mentioning a positive fact ('Hall of Fame running back') would no doubt be controversial. Johndavies837 (talk) 18:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support Blurb, the murder case is widely known in many countries, even if people (such as myself) know very little about American football. Sahaib (talk) 22:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting, Oppose Blurb because there is no chance of a neutral blurb being written. 142.117.133.114 (talk) 22:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support alt3 blurb. Household name, not exactly "old man dies" at only 76. Anarchyte (talk) 06:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC1

  It's not "oldest man in the world" old. But even working under the premise that men are supposed to live to 111, he was in his last trimester. That's not young or middle-aged, whatever you want to call it. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Turing Award

Article: Avi Wigderson (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Avi Wigderson wins the Turing Award for the study of randomness in computation and decades of intellectual leadership in theoretical computer science. (Post)
News source(s): Association for Computing Machinery, Quanta Magazine, Institute for Advanced Study
Credits:

• Nominated by 2A02:14F:1F2:FF04:D271:E46A:12E9:68D1 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

2A02:14F:1F2:FF04:D271:E46A:12E9:68D1 (talk) 14:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support assuming Wigderson's article is the target, it looks fully sourced ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support article looks good and notability is assumed. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 18:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Reluctant procedural support since I think ITN/R needs a purge, but as long as the current rules persist, up it goes This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Academic articles should usually have a section discussing their research, and here, specifically the research they did towards the award. This has almost nothing of his academic career outside of what awards he got. --Masem (t) 03:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose there is no section dedicated to his research and its academic review. The article is a bit small for a biography to be blurbed. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 05:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality per above. The Kip 18:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

RD: Trina Robbins

Article: Trina Robbins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by CanonNi (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 06:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait Although the article is generally well-sourced, the Career section needs some improvement.--MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

April 9

Portal:Current events/2024 April 9

April 9, 2024 (2024-04-09) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Humanitarian aid during the Israel–Hamas war The largest humanitarian aid airdrop since the war began takes place over the northern Gaza Strip, with at least 14 aircraft from nine nations taking part in the operation. (BBC News) Sistan and Baluchestan insurgency Six police officers are killed and two more injured during an ambush by Jaish ul-Adl gunmen in Sistan and Baluchestan, Iran. (AP) War in Sudan Heavy fighting and clashes occur between the Sudanese Armed Forces and the Rapid Support Forces (RSF) in areas controlled by the RSF primarily near Wad Madani in Gezira State. (Dabanga Sudan) Business and economy Economic impact of the Israel–Hamas war, Israel–Turkey relations The Turkish Trade Ministry announces that it will suspend the export of 54 categories of goods to Israel in response to Israel banning Turkey from participating in humanitarian air drops over the Gaza Strip. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2020–2024 H5N1 outbreak A Federation University Australia expedition confirms that bird flu is currently spreading across Antarctica, with outbreaks confirmed in wild bird populations in Beak Island, Hope Bay, Devil Island, and Paulet Island. (El Pais) 2024 Lake Suviana explosion Three people are killed, five are injured and four are missing in an explosion at a power plant on Lake Suviana, near Bologna, Italy. (AP) 2024 Mozambique boat disaster The death toll from Sunday's ferry sinking in Mozambique increases to more than 100 people, with around 20 people still missing. (NOS) Orsk Dam collapse More than 100,000 people in Russia and Kazakhstan are ordered to evacuate amid catastrophic flooding along the Ural river. (Reuters) The United Nations' International Organization for Migration reports that 38 people died when a boat, which has carried around 66 Ethiopian migrants, has sank off Godoria, Djibouti, a day before while on its way to Yemen. At least six more are still missing and presumed dead. (AFP via South China Morning Post) Law and crime Abortion in the United States The Arizona Supreme Court upholds a law criminalizing most types of abortions in the case Planned Parenthood Arizona v. Mayes. (The Guardian) Politics and elections Politics of Iceland Icelandic Minister of Foreign Affairs Bjarni Benediktsson is appointed Prime Minister after Katrín Jakobsdóttir's resignation on 5 April. (The Guardian)

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RD: Dieter Rexroth

Article: Dieter Rexroth (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DSO
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

German cultural manager for many orchestras, festivals, awards, notably Deutsches Symphonie-Orchester Berlin for which he won Kent Nagano. The article was basically there, without sources though as usually when translated from German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

RD: Patti Astor

Article: Patti Astor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ARTnews
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:7DE7:343:E10:135D (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American actress and co-founder of New York's Fun Gallery. 240F:7A:6253:1:7DE7:343:E10:135D (talk) 10:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 240F:7A:6253:1:FCE8:2031:6457:A266 (talk)

RD: R. M. Veerappan

Article: R. M. Veerappan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Politician and Film Maker needs references Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose there are four orange tags. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 03:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose too many issues with article (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 10:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Climate change ruling in Switzerland

Article: Verein KlimaSeniorinnen Schweiz v. Switzerland (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The European Court of Human Rights rules that climate change prevention is a human right. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

• Oppose - Article is one sentence long ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on article length, but generally support this as significant. Masem (t) 17:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
  • To add this affects all eu member states and not just limited to Switzerland. — Masem (t) 18:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
    • Council of Europe states, not just EU. But agree on significance; shame that the premature nomination means that any half-decent article that may emerge 12 or 24 hrs down the line will have a starting handicap of half a dozen opposes to overcome. Moscow Mule (talk) 20:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
      • I have some rudimentary knowledge in this area that I am going to try to hit tonight to provide background and thus fill in the case basics but can't promise anything. — Masem (t) 20:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose article is 1 sentence long, will need to be expanded. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

*Oppose on quality As mentioned previously, article is a very short stub. WOuld need to be greatly expanded on before being considered.
Support, thank you for expanding! ~~mAyLiNgOeEd (Talk to me!) (My contributions to Wikipedia📜) 20:02, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as it’s a stub. The Kip 21:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Someone just needs to translate the German article, which is quite decent: de:Klimaseniorinnen Schweiz. Schwede66 22:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

The German article is about the plaintiffs, not the lawsuit. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

It is titled as if the scope were to be the plaintiffs, but it has more on the case and reactions to it than the organisation. Schwede66 23:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support on significance, oppose on quality. Article needs very substantial work. AusLondonder (talk) 22:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• EXPANDED I have spent the last hour to expand it out, though I'm not diving into reaction kudzu. --Masem (t) 01:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

  Comment. Did the reacts for You based on de.wiki. Myself I abstain from !voting but will take this opportunity to congratulate You, @User:Masem on your fine work on this and any other issues on ITNC. Kudoz! --Ouro (blah blah) 05:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability but the article still needs improvement before it can be posted, particularly in the reactions section. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support A very significant event and even though the article is bit short but it is good enough. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 03:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The latest climate news is that March was the hottest in recent times and that sea temperatures set a new record. Switzerland is not a significant scapegoat in this and the ECHR has no enforcement powers even if it was. To see who's actually responsible, see the Carbon Majors report which has just been published. China's coal industry heads the list with 25% of global emissions (2016-2022). Andrew🐉(talk) 07:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
  • ECHR has required the Swiss gov't efforts to rectrify the emissions target failure with oversight by govt representatives to the ECHR from other countries. Yes, its not like they put a fine (outside of legal costs) on Switzerland, but they are forcing the country to establish new laws and likely new sources of funding within a reasonable time to meet overall climate change goals. (This isn't about climate change per se but the human rights that are lost if climate change is not adequetly met, that's the story here). — Masem (t) 12:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: I think the blurb is imprecise and would need revision. This was a very specific ruling finding Switzerland in violation of the European Convention on Human Rights (Article 8 and 6 § 1). It essentially found that Switzerland had positive obligations to act and has not effectively done so, thus Switzerland has committed a human rights violation. The court found that Switzerland has failed to reduce its GHG emissions fast enough to meet its own targets (set by law). It found that Swiss domestic courts should provide an adequate venue to abide by the Convention. The court also found that 4 individuals represented as plantiffs did not actually fulfil the victim-status criteria under Article 34 of the Convention and declared their complaints inadmissible. It is worth noting at the same time they decided on Verein KlimaSeniorinnen Schweiz, they threw out (made inadmissible) two other climate-change cases at the same time (Carême v. France and Duarte Agostinho and Others v. Portugal and 32 Others). Find the court documents here.

Of course this ruling can have large implications, especially for member states of the Council of Europe/convention signatories. The ECHR has never directly ruled on a "climate-change" before (although they have had environmental protection cases). This does pave the way for future cases (see Greenpeace Nordic and Others v. Norway) not only in the ECHR, but other venues as well. It is clearly important ruling, but I would ask other editors to assess if the court actually found that climate-change prevention is a human right. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

As I put in the article, part of the reason Switzerland failed is they were putting much of their effrt by riding on the EU's emissions trading program, which throughout the EU failed to realize CO2 reduction goals anywhere close to what Kyoto/Paris asked for. Many other states also took their emissions committment in this direction and have been burnt by the failure of the program; eight other states joined Switzerland to fight off this case. This means that many states within the Council will still likely fail to meet 2020 or 2030 goals, and that if they don't take strong mitigating actions beyond the cap-and-trade system, they will likely be found in violation. — Masem (t) 12:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. On the human rights violation bit, just added ref, from the Washington Post. --Ouro (blah blah) 10:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• support incredibly important, per et al. Kasperquickly (talk) 11:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Support thanks to @Masem for expanding it, it's very important and is long enough (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:45, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support on importance, weak oppose on quality: the quality of the prose is very poor, and much reads like a machine translation ("her reaction was not material", "aligned with the relevant political spectrum", "instead they should seek political actions"). Sandstein 12:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Likely due to the reactions section being based off machine translation from the Swiss version ( the bulk of the rest I wrote fresh from English sources) likely needs wordsmithinh — Masem (t) 13:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

    Machine translation does not seem acceptable for material presented as a quotation. For example, I just spot-checked ""alienating, possibly even counterproductive". The actual quotation was "befremdlich und möglicherweise gar kontraproduktiv". "Befremdlich" would be better translated as "disturbing" or "disconcerting". But if you're going to quote someone then you should give their original text per MOS:PMC, "the wording of the quoted text must be faithfully reproduced". Andrew🐉(talk) 07:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• From the perspective a cynic like me (call it valid or invalid if you like), I'd love to see this article discuss more actual ramifications than it already does. Switzerland has apparently been told to "reassess and address its climate change goals". What exactly does this entail and what would be the punishment for not doing so? All the comments here claim this ruling is so terribly important, yet honestly I don't see that well substantiated in the article. DarkSide830 (talk) 13:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, in that this doesn't have immediate or extremely visible material impact in the near term. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 20:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The article doesn't indicate what impacts this will have, and what sort of penalties there will be for failing to abide by the ruling. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

New Irish Taoiseach

Articles: Simon Harris (talk · history · tag) and Taoiseach (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Simon Harris becomes the new (and youngest) Taoiseach of Ireland after Leo Varadkar's sudden resignation. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Simon Harris becomes the youngest Taoiseach of Ireland after Leo Varadkar's resignation.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Simon Harris becomes Ireland's youngest taoiseach following the resignation of Leo Varadkar after running unopposed in the election.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Simon Harris becomes the new Taoiseach of Ireland after Leo Varadkar's resignation.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: There were two nominations at ITN already (one for Varadkar's resignation, one for Harris' nomination) and both had the consensus to wait until today. ITN/R as new executive head of state. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Simon Harris has some citation needed tags and I've added a failed verification check based on a cursory glance of the article. Taoiseach is correctly orange tagged for more sources. If Harris' article is fixed, then that could be posted. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality per Joseph. And I would remove the mention that he is the youngest Taoiseach. It is trivial and irrelevant information for practical purposes. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

  There's no real reason not to include it since we have to post the change anyways. I'd phrase it like "Simon Harris becomes the youngest Taoiseach of Ireland" though, excising the "new (and". BSMRD (talk) 16:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

  I still think it is unnecessary information. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

  I think this might make it seem to unfamiliar readers that there were multiple taoisigh, of whom Varadkar was the youngest, and that his resignation makes Harris the new youngest. It's worth noting his youth as an separate feature to his newness. Perhaps "…becomes the new Taoiseach of Ireland, and the youngest ever, after Leo…" although I accept it's a bit wordy. Jjamesryan (talk | contribs) 07:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle once article issues are closed This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support once issues are resolved. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Conditional support once maintenance tags are resolved. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 18:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support - once everything is ready quality-wise, per above. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 07:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance. All these "support if fixed" votes are meaningless, because it's WP:ITNR, and so only consideration is article quality. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT3 - Him being the youngest is fairly trivial, it's the succession we're focused on. The Kip 18:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT3, Oppose on quality As per The Kip, there isn't a need to specify he is the youngest. The article currently is not ready, due to many cn's and failed verification's. Gödel2200 (talk) 00:28, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT3, Oppose on quality. Article is missing some sources, needless to say. I don't think it's too far off though. I think some of the tags could be removed because Harris's article seems to have been citation bombed. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I've been through this and some of the citation needed tags were so easy to replace (a strike being called off is a basic news story, for example), and removing extra details that weren't in sources that were tagged as "failed verification". There's now one tag left for "better source needed" (legislation cited with primary source) and one more of "failed verification" (about a "scandal" I know nothing about). I've seen worse pages posted, and this story is getting old now. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support I replaced the refs at the better source and failed verification tags mentioned by Uknown Temptation above, the article would seem to me to be ready now Josey Wales ^Parley 21:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) XZ Utils backdoor

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Article: XZ Utils backdoor (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A maliciously introduced backdoor in the Linux utility xz within the liblzma library is found. The issue has been assigned a CVSS score of 10.0, the highest possible score. (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Usernamekiran (talk · give credit)

now we have a good enough article on the event itself. I am not much experienced with ITN, so kindly feel free to update/change the blurb as necessary. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Stale - The correct date for this nomination would had been the 29 March unfortunately so it's stale as far as ITN is concerned. -- KTC (talk) 17:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per KTC, article is stale ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose — Not significant. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 18:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Stale as this happened on 29 March, which is older than last of the current front page blurbs (1 April). Joseph2302 (talk) 19:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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April 8

Portal:Current events/2024 April 8

April 8, 2024 (2024-04-08) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Battle of Chasiv Yar Heavy fighting between Russian and Ukrainian troops occurs around the city of Chasiv Yar, with Ukraine describing the situation as "difficult" and "tense". (Al Jazeera) Shelling kills three civilians in Huliaipole, Zaporizhzhia Oblast. (Al Jazeera) Ukraine claims to have damaged the Russian Navy missile ship Serpukhov in the Baltic Sea near Kaliningrad. (Kyiv Independent) War in Sudan Humanitarian impact of the war in Sudan Khartoum reports 384 cases of dengue fever which are attributed to the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Sudan. (Al Taghyeer) Over 100 civilians in South Kordofan are killed after allies of the Rapid Support Forces launch attacks in villages across the state. (Dabanga Sudan) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, Rafah offensive Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he has ordered an invasion of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip with a date "being set" for the ground offensive. (The Telegraph) (NU.nl) Business and economy 99 Cents Only Stores files for bankruptcy in the U.S. state of Delaware, with the intention to liquidate. (Reuters) Law and crime Protesters set fire to government buildings and dozens of vehicles in the Mexican state of Guerrero amid anger over the police killing of a college student in March and the kidnapping of 43 students in 2014. Governor Evelyn Salgado Pineda's office in Chilpancingo is ransacked. (AP) Science and technology Solar eclipse of April 8, 2024 A total solar eclipse occurs in North America for the first time since 2017. It is the last total solar eclipse to be visible in the contiguous United States until 2044. (Fox Weather) Sports 2024 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament In college basketball, Connecticut repeats as national champions, becoming the first program to do so since the Florida Gators did so in 2006 and 2007. (Patch)

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RD: Ralph Puckett

Article: Ralph Puckett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Medal of Honor Winner.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose there are two cn tags. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 05:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bill Gunter

Article: Bill Gunter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tallahassee Democrat
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Florida politician from back in the day. Needs work. Curbon7 (talk) 20:34, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose there is an orange tag and the article has only two sources. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 05:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose there are 2 sources (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

(Posted as blurb) RD/Blurb: Peter Higgs

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Article: Peter Higgs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Nobel prize winning theoretical physicist Peter Higgs (pictured in 2013) dies at the age of 94. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nobel winning physist whose namesake is part of the Higgs boson particle. Article looks in high quality shape. I am hesitant to call for a blurb for this though. Masem (t) 16:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support - great looking article ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support - good quality, would support a blurb. Polyamorph (talk) 17:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support - One of the key figures in this field. I’ve added a blurb as think he meets notability for one. yorkshiresky (talk) 17:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb - The Higgs boson is a very important discovery of the 21st century in terms of science. Lukt64 (talk) 17:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb. Higgs boson particle is worldwide known. If we are ever going to blurb a scientist, this should be just the case to do it. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Article is fine. Black Kite (talk) 17:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb - article is okay, significant physicist. PhilKnight (talk) 18:37, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb - A monumental figure in the field of theoretical physics. --TheDutchViewer (talk) 18:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb This is a clear-cut case, and the article looks fine.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Top of his field, article in good shape and his discoveries are popular/noted worldwide. Good case for a blurb (regardless of age). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Posted — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 20:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Pull Death has no immediate consequences and is not notable in manner. We are already far too liberal with death blurbs. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting support - why even bother, orbitalbuzzsaw? There's no way this will be pulled at this point. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
  • I really do hate how many deathblurbs get posted. I think we should limit them to incumbent politicians or if the manner of death is notable (e.g. assassination) This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Pull Name any Physics conference, professional sports match or equivalent thing in other areas which mourns the death of Higgs, then I'll support. Didgogns (talk) 01:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Pull blurb I do agree that most death blurbs are a mistake and this is why we have RD. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb I'm fine with getting rid of death blurbs, but while they exist in their current iteration this qualifies as someone who is at the absolute top of their field. Curbon7 (talk) 01:28, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting support blurb. It's very easy to see how Higgs meets the currently generally-accepted threshold of "at the top of their respective field." And for the record, I agree with this generally-accepted criteria. But the only reason why I felt the need to !vote at all was the sudden pull !votes from editors that want a different criteria. As I've said before, it bothers me how every RD-as-a-blurb discussion becomes a forum where editors debate what they think the criteria should be. No one individual blurb nomination will ever be the place where that issue gets settled once and for all. Right now, there exists an informal understanding that "the top of one's respective field" is the criteria we tend to go by these days. A very vocal minority wishing for a stricter criteria or a permanent end to posting deaths as blurbs expresses dissatisfaction with this every time one of these gets posted, but always to no avail as they're still the minority at this time. If we ever want to get a formal criteria to put the issue to bed once and for all, the only place where that's going to happen is the talk page, not here. So as Rockstone said, why even bother?  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 01:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Post-posting support although I usually do not support death blurb but he is one of the most influential people in his field therefore his death is pretty significant. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 03:59, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I’m sure cheese makers mourn the death of a prominent cheese maker, but just because someone is prominent in their field shouldn’t qualify them for a deathblurb. The manner or direct impact of the death are not notable (e.g. a serving head of state/government’s death is notable as change of head of state for some other reason would be notable, and the assassination of a famous person is notable because it receives world headlines), and thus, it does not qualify to be on ITN in its own right This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Post-posting support for blurb The man literally has a subatomic particle named after him. If there's anyone notable for a RD blurb in physics, it's him. Melmann 08:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) Eclipse

Article: Solar eclipse of April 8, 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A total solar eclipse is visible across North America. (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Sagittarian Milky Way (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Last total sun eclipse till late 2026. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now Appropriately orange tagged. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:12, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Question Have we ever posted an eclipse before? HiLo48 (talk) 00:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

  It's listed on ITNR under celestial events NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 00:28, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, see here as an example of an eclipse that was previously posted to ITN (there are a couple more examples mentioned there, too). 92.18.110.33 (talk) 02:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

  yayy 59.99.6.230 (talk) 10:07, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

  I'm surprised it would be on ITRN - but it's only total solar eclipses that are ITNR. On average, only about 1/3 of eclipses are ever total. On average, there's a solar eclipse every 5 months or so, but it's only total every 16 months or so. So I guess we only have to debate quality. Nfitz (talk) 02:53, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality (orange tag to fix). Support, issues have been fixed! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 02:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support It's happening soon and is all over the media, and live streams have already started. The orange banner tag, which was there for six years, was quite ridiculous as it's trivial to find reliable coverage of the track and we even have a nice animation (above) thanks to NASA. Everyone who complained about this without doing something about it should please read WP:JUSTDOIT. Anyway, the most important point is that it's better to report this before it happens rather than afterwards, so that readers get a reminder to take a look for themselves and so don't miss it. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Yeah. We always seem to post astronomical events well after they're over, with the snarky undertone of "and, ha ha ha, you missed it". —Cryptic 09:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

    That is true. If we don't post it today then I think the item will be too stale and not useful enough to put up. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

    Yeah, would be great to post it before it happens! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support article is fine, it's WP:ITNR and thus have marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support It's happening soon and is all over the media as @Andrew Davidson said (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support the article is in a good shape and it is getting extensive media coverage. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 14:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support timely ITN we should post this now. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support The article looks decent. Unnamelessness (talk) 14:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks fine. Just post it now. Shanes (talk) 16:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Posted — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 16:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• I am prepping File:Solar eclipse of April 2024 from Indianapolis.jpg for image protection as an image of the eclipse taken at totality, now that it's happened.

(Attention needed) Ongoing: War in Sudan (2023–present)

Article: War in Sudan (2023–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC (13 April), Washington Post (12 April), Al Jazeera (11 April), Crisis Group (11 April)...
Credits:

• Nominated by Lukt64 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Khronicle I (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit), SashiRolls (talk · give credit) and ... (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Add timeline as well. Continuation of last weeks discussion that had consensus but with admin opposition. Lukt64 (talk) 18:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support the proposal to link both the article and the timeline, e.g. "War in Sudan (timeline), that seemed to have consensus in the Mar. 31 discussion; I don't know why it wasn't posted. Consensus is not a vote, of course, but 14 in favor and 3 against seems pretty cut and dry. DecafPotato (talk) 20:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - Again, ongoing is for a constant stream of blurb-worthy events that would clog ITN if they were all added. If we were to add this, we might as well add every armed conflict. This is not getting a sufficient amount of media attention, and a relatively updated article isn't enough. ITN is not a war ticker. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

ITN is NOT a war ticker, but war is the #1 thing being covered in the news right now. Lukt64 (talk) 23:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I can't find a single front page headline on Sudan in any media outlet. The significance isn't there PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I'll also mention that we'll have 6 wars currently in ongoing if we post Sudan. That to me seems like an undue weight. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support inasmuch as we did it with Ukraine, plus earlier consensus on 31 March This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Not seeing the consistent substantial updates to the timeline article that Ongoing demands. The updates are daily, but they are very short (ie RSF does x, SAF claims y, etc). DarkSide830 (talk) 22:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support with the timeline - Previous proposal had consensus, admin opposition is not a supervote. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose it wasn't admin opposition. The article is not being updated sufficiently for ongoing. The timeline is a ticker of trivial events. Stephen 23:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I cannot bite my tongue on this one. I acknowledge you probably did not intend it badly, but the most recent updates to the timeline talk about various massacres/battles which have killed hundreds of innocent people. Just because the victims come from a war-torn country like Sudan and there is less detail about the exact circumstances of their deaths, does not render these peoples brutal deaths a "ticker of trivial events"... I think we should be sensitive about our choice of words here, especially when talking about these sorts of global issues. Flip^andFlopped ツ 01:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I understand that this is an absolutely horrifying conflict, with an immense human toll. However, without sounding like a heartless monster, there is no such policy as 'WP:MINIMUMDEATHS', and there being casualties and massacres in a war zone, as awful as it is, I don't think indicates an excessive amount of notability. There are many armed conflicts in the world; people are being tortured and kidnapped by Mexican cartels as we speak, ISIS is still committing atrocities in Syria. There are detailed and updated timeline articles for these wars. But at the end of the day, this is In The News, and I think our standards for notability go beyond just posting tragedies of a certain scale. He could have phrased it better, but I agree that there doesn't seem to be anything exceptional about Sudan compared to many other conflicts that make it fit for ongoing. Just my opinion, I don't mean to trivialise these events. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:46, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

An admin thinking the timeline is a ticker of trivial events (a subjective opinion, and not one that appears to be consensus) is very much "admin opposition". Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 01:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

By the time it was autoarchived, a consensus of 14:2 believed the updates to the relevant target articles were sufficient to post (a couple editors implied they opposed but never !voted, even accounting for them it was near unanimous). It was 14:1 when I marked it as ready; you disagreed and unmarked it as such and allowed it to be archived. I don't think you were being malicious at all, I just think you may want to be more cautious about overriding consensus in the future. Despite you technically not !voting, it was clear throughout the discussion how you would have !voted, so it's fair to say you were an involved editor when unilaterally deciding it wasn't ready after all. Just to be clear, I'm absolutely not trying to attack your character or your judgment or dogpile on you or make you feel bad, I just think this was a misstep and I hope you'll understand why some editors feel that way.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support with the timeline per Chaotic Enby. This should have already been posted, as I believe there was already a prior consensus to post. Flip^andFlopped ツ 01:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

  I notice that after you promoted this to (ready), @Stephen: removed the label as he did last time. Unfortunately, he does not appear to have looked at the entry (or the news) lately, as it has been massively updated since his last comment, with some of the many stories appearing about the Sudan War in recent days. It will be interesting to see if he succeeds in keeping this off the front page despite consensus again. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 03:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  This is disappointing. Counting the nom, the support:oppose ratio is 11:4, almost 3:1. I was optimistic that Stephen would understand why myself and several other editors thought it wasn't appropriate to un-mark it as ready the last time, but it feels much more inappropriate for them to do the same thing they were criticized for a second time. No one person decides if an ongoing entry is or is not sufficient to post. We discuss things as a group for a reason. Citing one's own !vote rationale as the reason why it's not ready despite a consensus saying otherwise is a supervote. Of course, he doesn't have to be the one to post it, Wikipedia is voluntary after all, but it would have been better to just do nothing.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 05:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  @Vanilla Wizard @SashiRolls @Lukt64 I agree and am respectfully disappointed that @Stephen would remove the (Ready) categorization despite clearly voiced concerns that he is supervoting down a nomination which he is involved with because he casted a minority oppose !vote.

  In fact, across both ongoing nominations, 18 total editors have voted support and 5 have voiced opposition. Two of those five are admins (@Stephen and @Spencer) and one was an anonymous IP address.

  At this point and with all due respect to both the above administrators, we will never agree on whether the article has substantive updates or is just "trivial". This is just going to be nominated again and the same argument will repeat itself. A completely uninvolved administrator needs to come in and review the article + both nominations and assess whether it has consensus for ITN. Is there anyone we could ping or does this need to go to AN/I? Flip^andFlopped ツ 18:29, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  @Flipandflopped Thanks for this very well-written summary with which I agree. I wonder if we could go to Wikipedia:Closure requests for an uninvolved administrator to look at it? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  FWIW, too, close to 7K in substantive updates have been added since these two admins expressed their minority opinion that the main article was insufficiently updated. This is largely due to the many in-depth stories that have been published on the subject in RS in the last few days. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 19:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

  Even though I'm opposed to putting up this item, I do think that the admins should respect the consensus we've made here. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Support with timeline as there are frequent and significant updates Fileyfood500 (talk) 02:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support with timeline - per above. The conflict is still one of the most significant wars going on right now, and the timeline article is being updated on the regular. To be brutally honest, I don't quite understand why it was even removed in the first place. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 07:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support with timeline - As Chaotic Enby already said, there was already clear consensus to post last time but it was supervoted down. No disrespect intended towards the admin in question, I don't think they had any malicious intentions, but this is an accurate description of what happened the way I see it. And it remains true that Timeline of the War in Sudan (2023–present) is getting frequent and significant updates. And yes, these are updates that would be individually blurbworthy had it not been for the fact that they're part of a long and protracted war: people being killed in the triple digits daily, significant offensives being started, etc.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Support with timeline per @Bucket of sulfuric acid's above arguments (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 18:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support. (again) Strange that this was not promoted based on the previous clear consensus. I just fixed the two big red errors among the 448 references. (§) I'm not sure that including text via an extract template is ideal, as one has to really dig to find referencing problems in the daughter article, whereas ideally there would be a summary in the section included in the parent article... -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 18:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Comment another battle of Wad Madani has begun. Battle of Wad Madani (2024) Lukt64 (talk) 21:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

High support with timeline and overall status. I'm the person who has been announcing a lot of the things happening in this conflict in the last few days. It's been growing especially around Khartoum and a large battle in Wad Madani started today. Along with the dengue crisis within the capital and many other things. I don't even know why this war was taken out of current events. NYMan6 (talk) 22:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Timeline article is mostly single sentence updates without paragraphs or additional depth about specific events; of insufficient quality and depth to be featured at ITN/R. Only 3 of the lines since March 1 were of more than one sentence. Conversely, the War in Sudan (2023–present) does have a little more depth, however insufficient updates about recent events, with only 3 sentences in the body appearing to refer to events in April 2024 (the past 9 days). Based on the comments above, there are events going on, but just not in sufficient depth or quality for these articles to be featured in the Ongoing section. Spencer^T•C 04:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

  It has a lot more depth, indeed. I've added a couple more sentences from an April 10 Reuters report and three more from a March 29 Al Jazeera report on the impending famine. I've also added a section to the talk page explaining that the in-depth article is being criticized for not having enough updates in the last 9 days, while the timeline article is being criticized for having too many short updates. My hope is that by providing actual feedback to the authors, this will lead to a better entry and a better ITN decision than was made last time (i.e. not posting when there was clear consensus to post). 10.7 million people were estimated to be displaced by January 2024, 5 million are facing famine. 18 million "acute food insecurity". -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 19:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

  @Spencer and Stephen: I should also add that it's very likely there will be quite a number of media organizations publishing articles on the 1-year anniversary of the conflict in the next 5 days. Not sure why en.wp would not do the same given the strong majority in both the last nomination and this one for promotion. That said, I'm not a fan of the one-line updates to the timeline entry. (I didn't !vote for *its* inclusion last time either.) -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 22:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

• Comment -- It is possible that Stephen and Spencer are unaware of the nearly complete internet blackout in Sudan in February and March, making it difficult for the press to report on conditions inside the country. -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 03:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

April 7

Portal:Current events/2024 April 7

April 7, 2024 (2024-04-07) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Siege of Khan Yunis Israel withdraws all ground forces from the southern Gaza Strip, including Khan Yunis, leaving just one IDF brigade, the 933rd Nahal Brigade, remaining in the enclave. (Times of Israel) Russian invasion of Ukraine Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant crisis The IAEA reports that the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant's Unit 6 was targeted by a drone strike, although nuclear safety has not been compromised, according to the statement. (IAEA) War in Sudan Battle of Khartoum A Rapid Support Forces attack kills 28 civilians and injures 240 more in the outskirts of Khartoum, Sudan. (Daily Sabah) (Voice of America) Disasters and accidents 2024 Mozambique boat disaster A ferry travelling from Lunga in Mossuril District to the Island of Mozambique sinks off the coast of Nampula Province, Mozambique, killing at least 94 people and leaving 26 others missing. (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2024 Polish local elections Polish opposition party Law and Justice comes first in local elections while the ruling coalition retains a majority of the votes. (Politico) (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Michael Boder

Article: Michael Boder (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Violin Channel
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

German conductor focused on world premiere at the great opera houses of the world. I began the article long ago, and sadly updated. Some refs were lost but replaced. There would be much more to say ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is sufficient for RD. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Ready. The article is fully sourced. I found no concerns. Marked as ready. Flibirigit (talk) 14:34, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 16:02, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

RD: Chryssie Lytton Cobbold, Baroness Cobbold

Article: Chryssie Lytton Cobbold, Baroness Cobbold (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2024/04/09/lady-cobbold-chatelaine-knebworth-concerts-died-obituary/
Credits:

• Created by Richiepip (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Richiepip (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

British aristocrat and writer. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 04:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose - added one CN tag, otherwise brief but well-written. The Kip 18:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

  I've just replaced that {cn} tag with two footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 02:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• The paragraph listing their children is not cited. Flibirigit (talk) 14:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Is https://www.thepeerage.com/p24299.htm RS? Maybe useable? --PFHLai (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Karen Yarbrough

Article: Karen Yarbrough (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WBBM, CBS News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Tails Wx (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Speakfor23 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American politician who served for Cook County, Illinois. The article needs work, especially with several unsourced paragraphs and a couple short sections which should either be expanded or merged. ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 01:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Looks good to go now! Any reviewers who can take a look at it now are appreciated. :) ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 02:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Support the article is ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 05:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Support All is properly cited. No tags. Prose works well. GTG. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Ready. The article is fully sourced. I found no concerns. Marked as ready. Flibirigit (talk) 14:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 15:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Mozambique boat disaster

Article: 2024 Mozambique boat disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A ferry carrying approximately 130 people sinks off the coast of Mozambique, leaving at least 100 dead. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A ferry carrying approximately 130 people sinks off the coast of Nampula Province, Mozambique, leaving at least 100 dead.
News source(s): Reuters, France24
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
• Created by Mucube (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 82.174.61.58 (talk · give credit), Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk · give credit) and Leaky.Solar (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Shipwrecks that kill 100+ people aren't exactly run of the mill events, so I'm a little surprised this wasn't nominated. Article needs a lot of work, though. The Kip 23:50, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability. I considered nominating this, but the article is a bit stubby. Natg 19 (talk) 23:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Support The article on the boat tragedy is unfortunately a bit short, but the who-what-where-when-why is there. Bremps... 01:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality article is 1,200 characters long, which is still basically a stub. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability due to the large scale of the shipwreck, but oppose on quality due to the article just barely passing the threshold of a stub. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, as much as we shouldn't be a disaster ticker, more than 100 people dying is not exactly common either. Quality seems fine, at 1900 characters right now, solidly Start-class but nothing we can't post. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability Tragic event with massive number of fatalities. Sincerely, Dilettante 16:29, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support The writing that's there isn't terrible and the room for more only rightly suggests this is a developing situation under investigation, with details to potentially follow. The sort of story that was meant to be posted for a week or two, by my guess at what went through whoever started this practice's minds at the time. I could be wrong. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Note Article currently states at least 100, rather than 130. Would recommend stating "at least 100" until/unless we get an official death toll. Bremps... 03:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 04:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jerry Grote

Article: Jerry Grote (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

There are dead refs to fix. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

They're all from the same magazine, Baseball Digest, I think simply removing the links and making them offline sources suffices. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:19, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: Doesn't that go against WP:KDL? Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 04:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

You're right, I've put them back. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

• Ready. I removed one unsourced sentence, and found no other concerns. Marked as ready. Flibirigit (talk) 14:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 15:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

(Posted combined blurb) 2024 NCAA Division I women's/men's basketball championship games

Articles: 2024 NCAA Division I women's basketball championship game (talk · history · tag) and 2024 NCAA Division I men's basketball championship game (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In NCAA Division I basketball, the South Carolina Gamecocks win the women's championship (MOP Kamilla Cardoso pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In NCAA Division I basketball, the South Carolina Gamecocks win the women's championship (MOP Kamilla Cardoso pictured) and the UConn Huskies win the men's championship.
News source(s): CBS Sports (women's) / Associated Press (men's)
Credits:

• Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Iowamutt (talk · give credit), Mooreux (talk · give credit), PCN02WPS (talk · give credit) and Smitty Smitty (talk · give credit)

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Men's championship (tomorrow night) is also ITN/R. Blurb will be updated with men's winner after that game but no reason not to go ahead and post the women. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Article looks in great shape. Obviously some "Aftermath" content is forthcoming, but what has been written looks to be well-written and sourced. Nice to see a sports article in good shape this soon after it's conclusion. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
• Wait post combined blurb when the men's tournament is completed. Natg 19 (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Support The article is detailed and sourced, with detailed box scores Fileyfood500 (talk) 22:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support Post now, update with the men's result tomorrow. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is in great shape, although it might need some small fixes, it's good enough for ITN.
• Support, article is well-written and well-cited. Can post this one now and combine with the men's blurb tomorrow. The Kip 03:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 04:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Nomination updated for men's final - altblurb added. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The men's final article still has two unsourced paragraphs. Black Kite (talk) 03:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

  @Black Kite Just added sources to both of those. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 04:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 04:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joe Kinnear

Article: Joe Kinnear (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, National World
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Football Manager. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Well-sourced and overall of high article quality. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 07:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support good enough for ITN quality, so marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 10:00, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

April 6

Portal:Current events/2024 April 6

April 6, 2024 (2024-04-06) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Kharkiv strikes A Russian drone strike on Kharkiv kills eight civilians and injures ten others. At least nine high-rise buildings and a petrol station are badly damaged. (Al Jazeera) (Reuters) Syrian civil war 2024 Daraa bombing Eight children are killed and two more injured by a roadside bomb in Daraa Governorate, Syria. (AP) Myanmar civil war, Karen conflict The Karen National Union captures the town of Myawaddy in Kayin State as hundreds of junta troops surrender and hand over their weapons to rebel forces. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2024 Central Asian floods Orsk Dam collapse Around 2,500 houses are flooded and at least four people are killed after the Orsk dam in Orenburg, Russia, bursts due to maintenance errors following heavy rainfall. Around 47,000 people in Russia and Kazakhstan are evacuated. Kazakh President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev calls it one of the "worst natural disasters in the past 80 years". (The Independent) (Het Laatse Nieuws) (Tass) International relations 2024 raid on the Mexican embassy in Ecuador Nicaragua suspends diplomatic relations with Ecuador following the raid on the Mexican embassy in Quito, Ecuador. (Al Arabiya) Law and crime Mass shootings in the United States 2024 Doral shooting Two people, including the perpetrator, are killed and seven others are injured in a mass shooting at a bar in Doral, Florida, United States. (Reuters) (WFOR-TV) Politics and elections 2024 Slovak presidential election Slovaks vote in the second round of the presidential election between Ivan Korčok and Peter Pellegrini. Peter Pellegrini wins with over 53% of the vote. (France 24) (BBC News) Sports 2023–24 Copa del Rey In association football, Athletic Bilbao win their first major trophy in 40 years after defeating Mallorca in the Copa del Rey final. (The Guardian)

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(Ready) RD: Phil Nimmons

Article: Phil Nimmons (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC, Billboard
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Blainn (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article is a bit short, but the career sections are cited. Will work on expansion. Needs a citation for his discography. Flibirigit (talk) 14:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I cleaned up and expanded the article's prose. Could anyone help cite the discography? Flibirigit (talk) 00:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Unsourced discography hidden by comments. Any help in sourcing is appreciated. Ready for review. Flibirigit (talk) 12:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

2024 Slovak presidential election

Article: 2024 Slovak presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Peter Pellegrini is elected President of Slovakia. (Post)
News source(s): AP News, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Braganza (talk · give credit)

Not as important as the Prime Minister of Slovakia, but notable enough. Classicwiki (talk) 01:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle Not ITNR, but this election is quite significant both regionally and internationally due to the NATO-Russia conflict; Pellegrini's election gives Fico more legitimacy and cements Slovakia as a firmly pro-Russian country within NATO. The campaign section is orange-tagged for expansion. Curbon7 (talk) 02:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support not ITN/R as above but a national election nonetheless This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Curbon; we also have precedent from posting the Czech presidential election last year, where the opposite, but comparably significant geopolitical outcome occurred. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support got quite a lot attention in media Braganza (talk) 05:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Support due to the fact that the elections are nationwide and he is elected directly by the people. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 04:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose We publish more than enough ITN/R politicians and so don't need secondary ones like this too. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality campaign section is correctly orange tagged as needing expansion. Aftermath section should also be expanded, since almost all of the English-language coverage about this election is related to his pro-Russian policies, which have one sentence on them (which isn't enough of a representation). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose the lack of content in the campaign section and the underdeveloped state of the article seems somewhat contradictory to the above claims that this election was particularly notable even in spite of it not being ITNR. Flip^andFlopped ツ 01:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose There aren’t enough details in the article to make this seem notable enough for ITN. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Some of the effects of the election are described in the aftermath section, though it only says that it is a "gain" for the government of the Prime Minister, which doesn't seem to be significant enough on its own for a blurb. The campaign section does discuss some of Pellegrini's more Russia sympathetic views, though I am not sure how significant this is considering the Prime Minister already holds similar views. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joseph E. Brennan

Article: Joseph E. Brennan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Working on expanding it – Muboshgu (talk) 18:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Weak support - needs more details on death. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 00:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Weak Support Personal life section needs expansion and more sources. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 08:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

If you can find any, you're welcome to present those sources and details. I've looked. All I see in Google searching and Newspapers.com is he lived on Munjoy Hill, had a wife named Connie, and two children. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

adding source for spouse's name and number of children would be sufficient. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 04:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Support I added some additional details to the personal life section about his children. The article is of sufficient quality. I also note the exact cause of death is not available online, likely for privacy reasons. Given he died at 89, I do not think having the exact cause of death in the article is a prerequisite for being posted to RD. Flip^andFlopped ツ 01:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support the article is now ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 06:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
• Electoral history section is unreferenced. Stephen 23:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

  Stephen, I ref'd it. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 03:46, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Ecuador-Mexico diplomatic crisis

Article: 2024 raid on the Mexican embassy in Ecuador (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mexico breaks its diplomatic relationship with Ecuador after the latter storms its embassy in Quito. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mexico breaks its diplomatic relationship with Ecuador in response to Ecuadorian police forcibly entering the Mexican embassy in Quito.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Mexico breaks its diplomatic relationship with Ecuador in response to Ecuadorian police forcibly entering the Mexican embassy in Quito.
News source(s): Washington Post, El Pais
Credits:

• Nominated by Ixtal (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 廣九直通車 (talk · give credit) and Aquintero82 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ixtal (talk • contribs) 11:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Support - Mexico seems to have completely broken off any relations with Ecuador. That's pretty major. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait for events to escalate. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:06, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

They broke diplomatic relations. Isn't that enough escalation? They won't (let's hope) go to an actual war over this. Cambalachero (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Support given that it's already a full breaking of diplomatic relationships, we can't really predict whether there will be further escalation but that enough is already notable. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 14:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Support A pretty big event and Mexico have broken its relations. We posted 2023 Canada–India diplomatic crisis [7] even though there was no official breaking of relations between those two countries. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:06, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose There's no dedicated article and not much of an update. Coverage doesn't seem significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose' solely due to lack of a dedicated article. The incident is quite serious and almost without modern precedent. It warrants an article, and a blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
  • There is zero requirement for a standalone article, only that either we have a new article of reasonable length or that there has been a significant update to an existing article. I am on the edge of supporting this on significance, but in terms of quality there would likely need to be at least a few more paragraphs in the target article (in addition to overall article quality) to support. — Masem (t) 16:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support big international incident. The article is properly updated. Cambalachero (talk) 17:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support, major international incident - like the Syria airstrike, one nation violating the diplomatic territory of another is significant. The Kip 18:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Support as this a relatively important event given that Mexico is a regional power. Would prefer some updates to article and would like to see if this escalates but not opposed to posting it. Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Collapsing derailment by an IP editor blocked for appalling racism  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:18, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose agree that no dedicated article is required but the section in the relations article is insufficient providing no background on Glas and almost no specifics about the raid (timing, causalities, notifications, etc). Should be an easy support if the target is improved slightly. Also LOL Mexico caring about national sovereignty after facilitating a full scale invasion of the United States for decades. --24.125.98.89 (talk) 19:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC) A full scale invasion? Last time they fought was nearly two centuries ago, and the US started it by annexing Texas... Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC) I have a feeling they're referring to something quite contemporary. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC) Exactly, Mexico refused to recognize Texan independence, nor their request for annexation by the United States, invaded a foreign country and lost half their territory for their trouble. Of course, if Polk had done his job 180 years ago we'd be in sovereign control of the entire continent and not dealing with the infestation we're dealing with today. Oh well. --24.125.98.89 (talk) 01:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC) I doubt you're describing an infestation of bugs. Traumnovelle (talk) 01:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC) Wait, weren't you the IP blocked for one month for repeatedly saying racist things about Latin Americans already? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 01:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC) I intended to keep these suspicions private, but with the above remarks I’ll say it: the IP in question’s behavior quite reminds me of the CBANned user LaserLegs and I’ll be taking both the above remarks and said suspicions to ANI shortly. The Kip 02:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC) I've created a discussion about him on ANI, looking back on his contributions he has a history of appallingly racist comments, including this one against a fellow editor. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC) LL or not (the typing style certainly is familiar), those sorts of unhinged racist remarks make me wonder if it'd be a good idea to require autoconfirmed status to comment at ITN/C.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC) I think that's a little bit of an extreme measure, many contributions from unconfirmed editors are useful, only a minority are like this guy. Already too much gatekeeping on Wikipedia atm PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC) That's fair. I won't dwell on that suggestion since it's not related to the blurb nomination anyways. I'll also collapse this whole thing just to make it easier to read the real conversation.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:18, 7 April 2024 (UTC) Well there certainly is an infestation that some people have been dealing with for the last 200 years... AryKun (talk) 18:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC) None of this is relevant to the topic at hand, enough soapboxing PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:50, 7 April 2024 (UTC) New target is better but still mostly filler. Remember the five sentences rule? Too bad it's not a rule anymore. Wall of reactions flag salad looks terrible and is mostly unncessary. 24.125.98.89 (talk) 01:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC) Here you go again with your unnecessary and political remark. You made similar remarks under the 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash discussion here and here. Even though you later deleted your comment, it appears that you like making irrelevant comments and like to use ITN/C as a political fourm like you just did here. PrinceofPunjabTALK 08:13, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: The Mexican Embassy raid in Ecuador has been started. You may wish to include that in the blurb, when it is ready. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:36, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

  Additionally, Ecuador–Mexico diplomatic incident has been created. I requested speedy deletion of that article because it was created later and had less info under CSD A10/WP:Dup guidelines. 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Quito has also been created and another user created a merge request between that and Mexican Embassy raid in Ecuador. Thought I'd make these comments for awareness as there is a discussion about a lack of a dedicated article. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

  If anything, I'd say 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Quito is the most complete, and has the more precise and accurate title. If the diplomatic incident expands, having a separate article for it might be a good thing, but right now it's a massive case of WP:TOOSOON. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

  That article is in poor shape. Half of it is reaction kudzu, and the actual events are two paragraphs total. This is why a separate article wasn't needed, just expansion in the current relations one. — Masem (t) 00:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb with 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Ecuador as the target. I'm not wild about all the reaction cruft, but that can be sorted out through the usual processes of editing and consensus. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on Quality per Ad Orientem. We now have content in the article about the actual event itself. Fantastic. The article is still over 90% cruft, but it's progress! DarkSide830 (talk) 01:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Quality issues resolved to my liking. Switching to support. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality: the new article, while well sourced, can definitely be expanded.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 04:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

  Support alt ii: article is ready.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 03:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Support a big international incident. LiamKorda 07:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support pending expansion article is a wee bit short now and mostly reactions. However, this is unprecedented in international relations - even the Israel-Iran shindig was the consulate, not the embassy. Juxlos (talk) 17:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

  Even more technically, there once stood a Forbidden Building of Mystery beside the consulate/embassy/whatever. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb II Article looks good enough, I've seen shorter articles getting blurbed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support with 2024 attack on the Mexican embassy in Ecuador as the target. Banedon (talk) 09:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Also maybe add nicaragua also broke relations. It is more than just a reaction.37.252.92.174 (talk) 16:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

• Posted There's consensus for altblurb II. Schwede66 05:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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