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Eric Hovde

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Does not meet WP:NPOL. Coverage is of his campaign and does not establish WP:GNG apart from his candidacy for office. Marquardtika (talk) 17:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Marquardtika (talk) 17:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Conservatism, Washington, D.C., and Wisconsin. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:59, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
• Draftify Subject does not yet demonstrate notability outside of the context of the 2024 election that he is running in, making this a WP:BIO1E consideration. If he wins in November, he'll be notable. If he loses, will he really be? I don't think so. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:11, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

  GFY 174.102.133.3 (talk) 20:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

• Draftify as subject is currently de facto expected primary winner barring death or a complete collapse of their campaign before August; the article needs more development. Nate • (chatter) 20:48, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

• Additional comment Said subject has now been endorsed by 45; only noting this in case we have to relist, still looking to draftify and develop this. Nate • (chatter) 23:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep The nomination says the subject "Does not meet WP:NPOL," but that doesn't really tell us anything. That standard identifies cases where we can presume a politician is notable, but it doesn't say that other politicians are not notable. Nor is this a case of WP:BIO1E; by its own terms that rule ("cover the event, not the person") loosens considerably as the coverage of the event or person grows. Here, we're talking about sustained coverage of not only the race but of the subject himself.

Moreover, it's clear that the subject is notable for his involvement in a variety of endeavors with no substantial connection to the current campaign, such as:

• his efforts to drive a dive bar out of business,
• his economic forecasting,
• his investment activity and
• his Obama-era analysis of banking policy|.

70.167.90.50 (talk) 21:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Driving a dive bar out of business doesn't get you an article. Being in investment person isn't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 22:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

• Delete So it's PROMO. Outside of politics, he has barely a paragraph about his financial career, so I'm not seeing notability. He's not notable as a hedge fund person, there is only confirmation of political campaigns. Oaktree b (talk) 22:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Keep: The subject is notable as demonstrated through the over 22 sources cited. However the article needs work and should be fleshed out in regard to his business endeavors Microplastic Consumer (talk) 22:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Had this person become a perennial candidate, complicating an appropriate alternative to deletion?Djflem (talk) 06:36, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

He has run for office twice--once in 2012 and once in 2024--so no. Marquardtika (talk) 14:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

• Draftify: article seems premature, could change as the campaign goes by. Though the article should definitely be deleted if he loses the primary in August, unless a suitable reason to keep it (or make a full article) emerges. Talthiel (talk) 20:06, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Keep: Hovde has been in Wisconsin politics for longer than just 2024. He can also be considered a humanitarian, given his charity organization. I would also argue that Wikipedia is a site for information about people of importance. This page can be used to help people learn more about Hovde, not just as a politician but as a man as well. In short, Hovde is an important figure for his charity work and his political campaigns, and I argue his page should stay up as more people would continue to add to the page. AbsoluteKermity (talk) 22:51, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

• Draftify, delete and/or redirect. As always, people do not get Wikipedia articles just for standing as candidates in elections they haven't already won — the notability test at WP:NPOL is holding a notable office, not just running for one — but this article is failing to demonstrate sustained notability in other contexts besides non-winning election campaigns. The number of footnotes an article has is not a notability claim in and of itself, either, especially when a considerable number of them are primary sources that do not constitute support for notability — GNG is not just "count up the hits and keep anybody who's surpassed an arbitrary cutoff number", and takes into account the context of what any given source is "covering" the topic for, but the merely expected run of the mill campaign coverage in the context of an election is not a notability-securing context. Bearcat (talk) 18:30, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

  Arguing the WP:NPOL rule is moot when you consider the criteria of "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage." In Wisconsin, where I live, Hovde is gaining considerable media coverage, and has been positioned as the most likely to win the Republican primary. While yes, it is not certain that he will win, if he does win it will be contradictory to recreate this article for him again. I will also argue his campaign is not run of the mill as you suggested, but holds many interesting aspects, including his positions on immigration and alcohol. AbsoluteKermity (talk) 21:51, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

  "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage" is for mayors and city councillors, not unelected candidates for anything. And even winning the primary still wouldn't be grounds for an article: the baseline for recreation would be winning the general election in November. Bearcat (talk) 03:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete There's not even a good redirect target as there's absolutely no point to this article apart from the fact they were a failed candidate and even includes elections he thought about running in, but didn't. Absolutely not notable enough. SportingFlyer T·C 23:00, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: There are way smaller stubs about less notable political figures on Wikipedia, so I think it has merit to stay, at least in a greatly restructured form. Serious discussion for deletion should wait until after the primary on August 13th, with him winning or losing being the reason to delete or not. If he wins, he becomes a major party's nominee in a heavily contested Senate race, making him a notable political figure for at least the 2024 cycle. Him winning the nomination also gives him more media attention, and therefore more robust citations and factoids for the article. If he loses, I am fine with deletion and rolling it under 2024 United States Senate election in Wisconsin page. Ultimately, we should wait until after the primary to make such a decision. Dillguy9 (talk) 16:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: Per others Cannolorosa (talk) 20:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• Draftify: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG or WP:NPOL as a failed political nominee in a single election. Is a case of WP:TOOSOON. Let'srun (talk) 20:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: he's currently the leading candidate for the Republican primary in Wisconsin, a state that elects a lot of Republicans. People will be looking him up. If he loses, we can delete it then. Mareino (talk) 22:10, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: A US senate candidate is always of public interest and therefore notable. Considering that it is hard to get a comprehensive view of a candiate's stances and that campaign websites are inherently biased in favour of the candidate, it would be a loss to delete the article. 2003:E2:AF1B:5F01:9DA1:29C7:E339:C5D3 (talk) 23:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC) lars 01:38, 4 April 2024 (CET)

The relevant question isn't "is he in the current news cycle right now?" — it's "if he loses the election and then never does anything else, so that having been an unsuccessful candidate in an election is his peak notability for all time, then will people still be looking for information about him 20 or 30 or 50 years into the future?" We're writing history here, not news, and just being a candidate in an election is not grounds for permanent inclusion in an encyclopedia in and of itself. Bearcat (talk) 15:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Keep: Subject has received substantial coverage in reliable sources and its reasonable to assume it will be sustained coverage as he's the Republican nominee for a highly competitive US senate race. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 23:46, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• The closing admin should note that there is a semi-viral tweet directing people here, hence the sudden influx of people. EoRdE6^(Talk) 00:25, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

  Off-wiki link in question: [1] - Skipple ☎ 00:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Fits the notability guidelines. Multiple sources cited in the article demonstrate reliable, significant coverage independent of the subject. This includes NBC News, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, and HuffPost.--Panian513 00:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

• Draftify: As others have noted, he does not meet notability guidelines unless he wins. Mad Mismagius (talk) 11:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This is not about the number of responses. The arguments and sources are not impressive. To keep such an article, make a stronger case based on police, reliable sources, and clear evidence of notability beyond simply running for office.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 09:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per AbsoluteKermity

(Discuss 0nshore's contributions!!!) 14:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete/Draftify: just echoing what others have said, but he has no notability whatsoever outside of the context of the election, which already has its own article and covers all necessary information. if he becomes a Senator, this can be revisited. Griffindaly (talk) 19:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: In all likelihood, Eric Hovde will be the Republican Party's nominee for United States Senate, thus giving him notability for now. Having his page up will keep voters in Wisconsin informed about him throughout the election. If he loses the election, then deleting the page would be appropriate. RandomUserGuy1738 (talk) 20:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC
• Delete There is no such thing as "notability for now" as it is not temporary. Even being the nominee doesn't meet WP:NPOL as he still would not be notable outside the campaign. If Hovde wins, then he would merit an article but he currently has not even won the primary. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Keep arguments are just special pleading not supported by references to Wikipedia's notablility guidelines. The general rule is that politicians don't get articles until they win, and insufficient evidence to justify a special case has been presented. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect or merge to 2024 United States Senate election in Wisconsin. We have in the past almost always redirected such articles about individual candidates. If consensus has changed, or we should take this as an exception, please convince me. Bearian (talk) 14:28, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Usually, that is done in cases where the candidate wins the primary and is a nominee in the general election. Hovde is currently only a primary candidate. Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)