Expresscard 2.0 eGPUs – pros, cons and candidate notebooks

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Right: A HP 2560P 4Gbps-EC2 eGPU implementation using an ATX PSU to drive a NVidia card

 

Expresscard 2.0 (EC2 or 4Gbps-EC2) is a lower cost and lower bandwidth eGPU interface alternative to Thunderbolt found in older 2011-2013 PC notebooks. In this article you’ll find the pros, cons , adapters; and a full listing of EC2 equipped notebooks including recommended notebooks provided to help decide if this is the right eGPU interface for you. Here ◄ are eGPU.io user submitted EC2 eGPU implementations as an additional reference.

Update: four (expensive) 7th/6th generation Lenovo workstations have a rare Expresscard 3.0 (8Gbps-EC3) port here . They each also have Thunderbolt 3 ports.

 

Pros of an EC2 eGPU solution

  • ready availability of cost-effective EC2 candidate notebooks. Many are durable business grade systems being offloaded by companies, still in good condition, on the second hand market. 3rd/4th-gen quad-core systems still performance competitive against even the newest 7th gen quad-core equivalents (example).
  • is a hotpluggable interface. Important due to NVidia’s GTX10xx cards requiring this for functionality which prevents mPCIe/M2 wifi or PCIe SSD slot interfaces from being used to host a eGPU (reference).
  • is a direct PCIe interface often yielding a plug’n’play solution, or may require minor Windows error 12 tweaking. Comparatively, Thunderbolt is PCIe interposer silicon so can present more challenging eGPU detection issues.
  • availability of an affordable EC2 eGPU adapter starting at US$6

 

Expresscard 2.0
adapter
PCE164P-N03 +
DIY EC adapter
EXP GDC Beast 8.4dBPlus PE4C-EC060A 3.0
Appearance
Price
US$6 & + US$5US$44US$98
Max PCIe bandwidth8Gbps – x1 3.0 (6th gen i-core CPU or newer)
4Gbps – x1 2.0 (2nd-5th gen i-core CPU)
2Gbps – x1 1.1 (1st gen i-core CPU or older)
Input PSU sourceATX, PCIe or DC jackATX, Dell DA-2, or DC jackATX, Dell DA-2, or DC jack
Cable typesockettedsockettedsoldered
Static insulatedNO
USB port
Spare cableUS$2 extension + others mPCIe EC M.2
Vendor pageeGPU.io (discuss) Cloud Hero (CN)BPlus (TW)
User builds
link

 

Cons of an EC2 eGPU solution

  • it’s 4Gbps of bandwidth delivers compromised performance compared to a desktop, 32Gbps-TB3, 16Gbps-TB2 or 10Gbps-TB1 Thunderbolt system. 16Gbps (x4 2.0) deemed necessary to hit 85% desktop-level performance (reference).
  • an external monitor attached directly to the eGPU is required to maximise performance on the narrow 4Gbps eGPU bandwidth (reference).
  • candidate notebooks are older and thicker often with poorer LCD colors, viewing angles and resolutions; and slower storage than newer systems.

 

Which EC2 system to choose?

Suggest avoiding 2nd-gen i-core systems due to their lack of native USB 3.0 support and the quad-core CPU variants will TDP throttle well before reaching their 4-core turbo performance limit due to their more power hungry 32nm lithography.

That then leaves 4th and 3rd gen systems, with little separating them other than the latter maybe using mSATA SSD technology, newer dGPUs and perhaps better LCD technology. Some even have a Thunderbolt2 (TB2) or Thunderbolt1 (TB1) port.

Dell Latitude/Precision systems are the easiest to configure for eGPU use and so are the pick of the bunch.

HP Elitebooks/Probooks with dGPUs do not have the iGPU wired so cannot provide NVidia Optimus accelerated internal LCD mode. Aim for an iGPU-only Elitebook if that is a desirable feature.

 


A listing of EC2/EC3 eGPU candidate notebooks

Lime are recommended EC2/EC3 eGPU candidate systems. Note: model variation means you should confirm an expresscard slot is in the system before making your purchase.

2017 – 7th generation 14nm i-core (Kaby Lake) (Note: 8Gbps-EC3)
2015 – 6th generation 14nm i-core (Skylake) (Note: 8Gbps-EC3)
2013 – 4th generation 22nm i-core (Haswell)
2012 – 3rd generation 22nm i-core (Ivy Bridge)
2011 – 2nd generation 32nm i-core (Sandy Bridge)

 

2017 – 7th generation 14nm i-core (Kaby Lake)

System
Weight/dimensions/dGPU/LCD/quad-core CPU capable?
17″ Lenovo Thinkpad P717.76lbs (3.52kgs). 1.20″ thick. TB3, i7-quad cpu, P3000, 4K/FHD-IPS.
15″ Lenovo Thinkpad P515.81lbs (2.64kgs). 1.16″ thick. TB3, i7-quad cpu. M2200M, 4K/FHD-IPS.
 

 

2015 – 6th generation 14nm i-core (Skylake)

System
Weight/dimensions/dGPU/LCD/quad-core CPU capable?
17″ Lenovo Thinkpad P707.94lbs (3.60kgs). 1.20″ thick. TB3, i7-quad cpu, M3000M, 4K/FHD-IPS.
15″ Lenovo Thinkpad P505.71lbs (2.59kgs). 1.16″ thick. TB3, i7-quad cpu. M2000M, 4K/FHD-IPS.
 

2013 – 4th generation 22nm i-core (Haswell)

System
Weight/dimensions/dGPU/LCD/quad-core CPU capable?
17″ Dell Precision M68007.85lbs (3.57kgs). 1.59″ thick. i7-quad, M6100/K5100M, 1080P.
17″ HP ZBook 17 G27.70lbs (3.50kgs). 1.33″ thick. TB2, i7-quad, K5100M/M6100, PCIe SSD slot, 1080P. Note: faulty EC slot??
15″ HP ZBook 15 G26.20lbs (2.82kgs). 1.20″ thick. TB2, i7-quad, K2100M/M5100, PCIe SSD slot, 1800P. Note: faulty EC slot??
15″ Lenovo Thinkpad W5415.57lbs (2.53kgs). 1.06″ thick. TB2, i7-quad, NV Quadro, NGFF M.2 slot, 1620/1080P.
15″ Lenovo Thinkpad W5405.57lbs (2.53kgs). 1.06″ thick. TB1, i7-quad, NV Quadro, NGFF M.2 slot, 1620/1080P.
15″ Dell Precision M48006.34lbs (2.88kgs). 1.37″ thick. i7-quad, M5100/K2100M, 1080P/1800P.
15″ Dell Latitude E6540 , M28005.64lbs (2.56kgs). 1.31″ thick. i7-quad, HD8790M/W4170M, 1080P.
15″ Dell Latitude E55405.29lbs (2.40kgs). 1.17″ thick. 1080P.
15″ Lenovo Thinkpad T540p5.45lbs (2.48kgs). 1.06″ thick. i7-quad, GT730M, NGFF M.2 slot, 1620/1080P.
15″ Lenovo Thinkpad L5405.50lbs (2.50kgs). 1.22″ thick. i7-quad, NGFF M.2 slot, 1080P.
15″ Toshiba A505.72lbs (2.60kgs). 1.37″ thick. 37W Dual-core, GT730M, 1080P
15″ Toshiba W505.95lbs (2.70kgs). 1.37″ thick. i7-quad, K2100M, 1080P.
14″ Dell Latitude E64404.68lbs (2.12kgs). 1.25″ thick. i7-quad, HD8690M option, RAID-0 storage, 1080P/900P.
14″ Dell Latitude E54405.06lbs (2.30kgs). 1.10″ thick. 900P, GT720M options..
14″ Lenovo Thinkpad L4404.98lbs (2.26kgs). 1.04″ thick. i7-quad, NGFF M.2 slot, 900P.
14″ Dell Latitude 54046.77lbs (3.07kgs). 1.75″ thick. Rugged.
13″ Toshiba R303.40lbs (1.55kgs). 1.00″ thick.
12″ Fujitsu T734 tablet3.96lbs (1.80kgs). 1.48″ thick. i7-quad option.
 

2012 – 3rd generation 22nm i-core (Ivy Bridge)

System
Weight/dimensions/dGPU/LCD/quad-core CPU capable?
17″ Fujitsu NH5326.60lbs (3.00kgs). 1.79″ thick. i7-quad, GT640M-LE, 900P/1080P.
17″ Dell Precision M67007.77lbs (3.50kgs). 1.46″ thick. i7-quad, M6000 (~HD7850)/K3000M-K5000M. 1080P.
15″ MISC PREMIUM BUSINESS
Dell Latitude E6530 , Precision
M4700, HP Elitebook 8570P,
Probook 6570B, Lenovo Thinkpad
W530, Thinkpad T530
i7-quad, M4000(~HD7750M), K2000M (~GT640M), 900P/1080P.
15″ Fujitsu AH5325.25lbs (2.40kgs). 1.43″ thick. i7-quad, GT640M-LE, .
15″ Fujitsu A5125.50lbs (2.50kgs). 1.44″ thick. i7-quad upgradable
15″ Acer P4535.72lbs (2.60kgs). 1.00″ thick. i7-quad upgradable
15″ Dell Vostro 35605.75lbs (2.61kgs). 1.28″ thick. i7-quad, HD7670M. 1080P.
14″ MISC PREMIUM BUSINESS
Dell Latitude E6430
HP Elitebook 8470P, Probook 6470B
Lenovo Thinkpad T430
i7-quad, NVS5200M(~GT550M), 900P.
14″ Toshiba R9404.20lbs (1.91kgs). 1.00″ thick. HD7570M/900P opt. HD7570M opt is not switchable gfx.
14″ Lenovo Thinkpad T430s3.89lbs (1.77kgs). 1.02″ thick. NVS5200M. 900P. TB1 on some i7 models.
14″ Dell Latitude E6430s4.59lbs (2.08kgs). 1.2″ thick.
13″ Dell Latitude E63304.29lbs (1.95kgs). 1.2″ thick.
13″ Toshiba R9303.26lbs (1.48kgs). 1.00″ thick.
13″ Clevo W130EW3.92lbs (1.78kgs). 1.26″ thick. i7-quad option.
13″ Acer P633-M4.20lbs (1.90kgs). 0.98″ thick. i7-quad.
12″ Dell Latitude E62303.50lbs (1.59kgs). 0.97″ thick.
12″ Fujitsu P7023.30lbs (1.50kgs). 1.26″ thick. 1280×800 LCD.
12″ Lenovo Thinkpad X2303.40lbs (1.55kgs). 1.36″ thick. IPS LCD option. mSATA.
12″ HP Elitebook 2570P4.20lbs (1.90kgs). 1.29″ thick. i7-quad cpu and RAID-0 storage upgradable.
 

2011 – 2nd generation 32nm i-core (Sandy Bridge)

There is no native chipset USB 3.0 controller so machines with USB 3.0 use a Renesas/NEC USB 3.0 controller.

System
Weight/dimensions/dGPU/LCD/quad-core CPU capable?
17″ Macbook Pro6.60lbs(2.99kgs). 0.98″ thick. TB1, HD6750M, 1200P, i7-quad.
17″ Dell Vostro 37506.62lbs (3.00kgs). 1.46″ thick. GT525M. 900P.
17″ Dell Precision M66007.77lbs (3.50kgs). 1.46″ thick. 1080P. M8900 (~HD6970M)/2000M/3000M/4000M/5010M.
17″ Fujitsu NH7518.16lbs (3.71kgs). 1.79″ thick. 1080P. GT525M.
15″ MISC PREMIUM BUSINESS
Latitude E6520 , Precision M4600
HP Elitebook 8560P , Probook 6560B
Lenovo Thinkpad W520 , Thinkpad T520
900P/1080P, i7-quad option.
15″ Fujitsu E7515.50lbs (2.50kgs). 1.38″ thick. 900P option.
15″ Fujitsu AH5315.50lbs (2.50kgs). 1.43″ thick. GT525M
15″ HP Probook 4530s5.55lbs (2.51kgs). 1.12″ thick. HD6490M option. 900P/1080P LCD user upgrade.
15″ Acer 8573G5.61lbs (2.55 kg). 1.22″ thick. GT540M.
15″ Lenovo Ideapad Y560p5.94lbs (2.70kgs). 1.33″ thick. HD6570M. mSATA. i7-quad option.. Not switchable gfx
15″ Dell Precision M46006.15lbs (2.79kgs). 1.44″ thick. M5950 (~HD6770M). 900P/1080P.
14″ MISC PREMIUM BUSINESS
Dell Latitude E6420
HP Elitebook 8470P , Probook 6460B
Lenovo Thinkpad T420
i7-quad, NVS4200M(~GT520M), 900P.
14″ Lenovo Thinkpad T420s4.03lbs (1.83kgs). 1.05″ thick. NVS4200M/900P option. mSATA.
14″ Fujitsu LH7014.18lbs (1.90kgs). 1.27″ thick. GT520M
14″ Toshiba R8404.20lbs (1.91kgs). 1.00″ thick. HD6450M/900P opt. HD6450M opt is not switchable gfx.
14″ Lenovo Idepad Y460p4.85lbs (2.20kgs). 1.33″ thick. HD6550M. mSATA. i7-quad option.. Not switchable gfx
14″ HP Probook 4430s4.88lbs (2.22kgs). 1.12″ thick. HD6490M option.
14″ Dell Latitude E54205.06lbs (2.30kgs). 1.28″ thick. 900P option.
14″ Lenovo Thinkpad L4205.06lbs (2.30kgs). 1.26″ thick.
14″ Lenovo Thinkpad E4205.25lbs (2.39kgs). 1.43″ thick. HD6630M option. mSATA.
14″ Dell Vostro 34505.35lbs (2.43kgs). 1.28″ thick. HD6630M option.
14″ Toshiba M6455.40lbs (2.45kgs). 1.39″ thick.
14″ Fujitsu S7515.40lbs (2.45kgs). 1.46″ thick. 900P option.
14″ Asus B435.46lbs (2.48kgs) 1.38″ thick.
13″ Fujitsu SH763.20lbs (1.45kgs). 0.91″ thick.
13″ Toshiba R8303.26lbs (1.48kgs). 1.00″ thick.
13″ Fujitsu S7613.85lbs (1.75kgs). 1.26″ thick. GT520M option.
13″ Fujitsu SH5614.18lbs (1.90kgs). 1.40″ thick. GT520M
13″ Dell Latitude E63204.29lbs (1.95kgs). 1.2″ thick.
13″ HP Probook 6360B4.65lbs (2.11kgs). 1.33″ thick.
13″ HP Probook 4330s4.70lbs (2.13kgs). 1.10″ thick. HD6490M option. i7-quad capable.
13″ Fujitsu T901 tablet4.73lbs (2.16kgs). 1.42″ thick. NVS4200M option. i7-quad capable.
12″ Fujitsu P7713.10lbs (1.41kgs). 1.18″ thick. 1280×800 LCD.
12″ Lenovo Thinkpad X2203.20lbs (1.45kgs). 1.36″ thick. IPS LCD option. mSATA.
12″ Fujitsu P7013.30lbs (1.50kgs). 1.02″ thick. 1280×800 LCD.
12″ Asus B23E3.40lbs (1.55kgs). 1.1″ thick. Boston Power Sonata 48Whr 3cell.
12″ Dell Latitude E62203.50lbs (1.59kgs). 0.97″ thick.
12″ Samsung Series-43.83lbs (1.74kgs). 1.3″ thick.
12″ HP Elitebook 2760P tablet3.97lbs (1.80kgs). 1.27″ thick. AFFS 1280×800 LCD option.
12″ HP Elitebook 2560P4.24lbs (1.92kgs). 1.29″ thick. i7-quad capable.
12″ Fujitsu T731 tablet4.40lbs (2.00kgs). 1.54″ thick..
10″ Panasonic J102.35lbs (1.07kgs). 1.38″ thick.
 
 

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alex-chu

 Dell Vostro 3750 not recommended for Express Card? Correctly understood? To which (in your opinion) the connector of this laptop is better to connect this adapter, to Express casrd or m Pci-e (for higher bandwidth (for speed))?

EDIT: Do Express Card 2.0  4 Gb/s  speed in both directions ()? The sum will be 8 GB/s, right?

What is the difference between the adapter 9.0 and 8.4d?

 

 

ratozumbi

Can it work with Core 2 Duo? (T7800)

alex-chu

Notebook Dell Vostro, Intel I7-2670QM, 8 GB.  The video card will be connected via Express Card 2. Power Supply Dell 220 Watt. Please advise which video card better to connect 1060, 1070 or 1080? For gaming and video editing in Premiere and After Effects? 

Yukikaze

For gaming, a GTX1060, as with an older slower CPU and over Expresscard you’re going to struggle to utilize the more potent cards. For professional programs, the PCIe connection width matters little, so the answer is typically “the one that satisfies your professional needs” or “whatever you can afford”.

alex-chu

Posted by: Yukikaze
For gaming, a GTX1060, as with an older slower CPU and over Expresscard you’re going to struggle to utilize the more potent cards. For professional programs, the PCIe connection width matters little, so the answer is typically “the one that satisfies your professional needs” or “whatever you can afford”.

Thank you! If I understand you correctly, the 1060 is the most optimal for the equipment that I have. Did I understand you correctly?
Palit 1060 super jetstream 6gb –  normal option?  Or another card?
 
 
 

Yukikaze

Out of the three you listed it is the one that makes sense. As for the model, get the cheapest one that still has a decent warranty. You do not need to pay extra for an overclocked model or anything.

alex-chu

Posted by: Yukikaze
Out of the three you listed it is the one that makes sense. As for the model, get the cheapest one that still has a decent warranty. You do not need to pay extra for an overclocked model or anything.

Can you give an approximate model?

Yukikaze

Where are you located in the world?

alex-chu

Posted by: Yukikaze
Where are you located in the world?

 Russia, Moscow

Yukikaze

I am not familiar with Russian computer retailers, so it is hard to me recommend something specific. Do you want to link some options that are available to you?

alex-chu

Posted by: Yukikaze
I am not familiar with Russian computer retailers, so it is hard to me recommend something specific. Do you want to link some options that are available to you?

What manufacturer of graphics cards You can recommend?

Yukikaze

It also depends on the quality of customer service they provide. In the US I swear by EVGA, but it might be different in Russia.

alex-chu

Posted by: Yukikaze
It also depends on the quality of customer service they provide. In the US I swear by EVGA, but it might be different in Russia.

Thank you! Which EVGA model should I choose? In Russia they sell cards of this manufacturer.

Yukikaze

The cheapest one that has 6GB of VRAM. With an eGPU over Expresscard, there is little reason to opt for the more expensive overclocked versions, as any gains will be minimal anyway.
In the US, this is cheapest 6GB model: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING, 06G-P4-6161-KR, 6GB GDDR5, ACX 2.0 (Single Fan)
 

alex-chu

Posted by: Yukikaze
The cheapest one that has 6GB of VRAM. With an eGPU over Expresscard, there is little reason to opt for the more expensive overclocked versions, as any gains will be minimal anyway.
In the US, this is cheapest 6GB model: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING, 06G-P4-6161-KR, 6GB GDDR5, ACX 2.0 (Single Fan)
 

Thank you! Only this model? Will not she get too hot?

Yukikaze

Considering it will be sitting on an open eGPU adapter, overheating is literally the last of your worries 🙂
Any other model will work as well, like I said, I am just trying to save you some money.

alex-chu

Posted by: Yukikaze
Considering it will be sitting on an open eGPU adapter, overheating is literally the last of your worries 🙂
Any other model will work as well, like I said, I am just trying to save you some money.

Thank you! Can be more expensive model, I’m ready to pay for the speed and good model of the video card, the main thing is that it then worked well. 
Are there faster and more suitable cards for my processor and laptop?

alex-chu

 GTX 1070 will not work for my system via ExpressCard2 for video editing? Or is it better than 1060? If 1070 is more suitable, then I’m ready to pay and buy it.   1060 or 1070 for mounting?
 
 

alex-chu

Thank you very much for the help! I bought a Palit super jetstream gtx 1070. I’m satisfied with it so far !!! Good luck to all and success!

I have Fujitsu AH532 (PCIe 2.0 1x, so EC2.0) (Core i7 3632QM; GT640M LE)
I have GTX 1080 TI from my PC.
1) Can I utilise this GTX 1080 TI with my laptop with EC2.0 and have GTX 1080 TI PCIe 2.0 1x?
2) Which egpu adapter is better for this?

Thank you for your answer.
1) So for me the best would be PE4C-EC060A 3.0? Or with PCIe cable (replace WIFI adapter)?
2) Is he compatible with gtx 1080 ti?

harry_wa

Maybe a stupid question but can a Dell Lat.E6440 with an i7-4600 as CPU manage an GTX 1060 as eGPU by mPCIe?

777kz

Hello
New to eGPUs
I want to upgrade my TOSHIBA QOSMIO X500
https://usermanual.com/document/2045/toshiba-x500-pqx33a-00x00j-specification.html
Want to use Express card
Will it work? What video card I can use?

Thank you

joevt

Under Pros of an EC2 eGPU solution it might be useful to have links to benchmarks that show that direct PCIe connection can have better performance than Thunderbolt even though the bandwidth is less (because latency is much less).

Would it work with a dell latitude E6410 and and gtx 550 ti?

may i ask the exact equipment in the picture? i have the same 2560p and i want to use the same equipment in this pic. Thanks.

Daniel

Good day. I have exactly the same old HP elitebook 2560p laptop you have tested. Could you please confirm which is the Nvidia gpu graphics specs you have use with this laptop? Is there any special configuration to use these Gpu? I already have an old HP 30 inch QHD IPS monitor which in fact has only one Displayport and one DVI-D dual link inputs. This should be ok? Thanks and best regards. Daniel

Whisker Platonic

I just want to mention that PE4C is discontinued and I don’t know if it has any successor

Mohd Zulfahmi Bin Maidin

some model you listing also have celeron lsuch as HP Probook 6460b Celeron B840, can i still use with beast and GT240?

Mohd Zulfahmi Bin Maidin

oh i seee, whatever proc model, as long it’s 2nd-gen i-core or sandy bridge platform..it will can support with ease..

Aste999333

Hello, I bought an exp gdc 8.5c (expresscard version) to improve the performance of my pc (dell e6220).
Everything works perfectly and no errors but when I run gpu-z I see that my graphics card is express card 1.1,
here is the inscription: PCIe x16 1.1 x1 1.1. Is there a way to upgrade to 2.0?
Sorry for my English… Thank you in advance for your replies !
Aste

PS: email addresses ending with outlook.fr will not work for registration (to warn you)
 

Ædith

i just wanted to say that you can put i7’s in the Probook 6360b. Mine’s swapped with 16 gigs of ram, a i7-2670qm and an 860 evo. with a lightweight linux distro this thing still flies